Will there be sinless people in hell?

One cannot beleive until one hears the Word of God (Romans 10:17). Those who do not believe are already condemned before even hearing the truth. Not because of choice to reject the truth.

 

SFIC, we posted at the same time, but my post was on the previous page, so I'll quote it here...

 

It is a choice yes... it is a sinful choice...

If I chose to pull a trigger to kill a person... it is a choice... it is also a sin.
A woman that aborts their child, they are also sinning.

A person that chooses to reject Christ, is sinning.

 

The condemnation is because of their love for darkness or sin. Not because of their rejection of the light.

 

essentially yeah...

But there is a slight difference...

I believe the payment is AVAILABLE for everyone...
But not all has received it...
Therefore the sinner in Hell has not had his debts paid for. He still owes them because he refused Christ's payment. He rejected Christ... that is why it is a sin.

SFIC believes that the payment has been paid for all...
Therefore the sinner in Hell is there with his sins paid for.
He rejects Christ... that is why it is a choice, but not a sin


Not much difference, but a different shade of atonement...

I think we both agree that Christ died for ALL... but not All will go to Heaven.

 

According to v. 19, this is the same thing.

Why does God condemn them for it, if it is not a sin?

 

He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 10:14-17 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

They are already condemned as John 3:18 states because they don't believe in Him. Those who have never heard the Word of Truth are already condemned.

 

Dont' go misquoting the Bible now. Jesus said they 'that [believe] not are condemned already,' not 'those who have never heard are condemned already.' You are now shown guilty of what you pin on others repeatedly.

You are assuming that all those who never believe also never hear. But the Bible says that even nature porclaims the glory of God. There is no such thing as a person who ignorantly 'rejects' God, or 'fails to believe.'

Since man's term 'rejecting Christ' is shown in John 3:18-19 to be the same as unbelief, answer this question: What is 'not sinful' about unbelief?

 

Is disobedience a sin?

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Isn't the gospel "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved"?


If you don't believe, you have disobeyed God. You have sinned.

 

Makes sense to me:wavey:

 

So we're arguing because??????????

I could see an argument with a predestination slant, but this debate even by your standard is without "passion". I am just an observer here and do not wish to be drawn into it but the points both you and SFIC put on the table are just posturing for position. To what advantage is anyone's guess but I think that both of you can best spend your energies studying another subject. JMO.

 

The argument is about SFIC's statements that people go to hell with their sins paid for.
Most of us believe that they go to hell because of unbelief with their sins remaining on them, which means they didn't take the blood that Christ shed and apply to themselves through faith. Therefore, they rejected the payment for their sins.

I think it's a pretty important distinction because God does not punish people eternally if their sins have been removed. IMO

 

I happen to favor your's, Amy's and Rubato's slants to this subject. However the fact is the answer remains the same. Unbelief will land you in Hell just as fast as rejecting/choice will. Labeling either or as sin is just semantics at best.

 

That's true Palatka. But there's not too much else going on this AM. Why dont' you start a good thread to distract us from this one...:laugh:

I hope you don't reject my theoies, even if that doesn't mean you don't believe me. :D

Like I said the other day, debating w/SFIC helps boost your posts count...:laugh::type:

 

I see your point, but to say that people are in hell even though their sins are washed away is not an accurate portrayal of our holy and just God. It is not justice to punish innocent people. If their sins have been paid for, then they are innocent. They have no sin balance on their account because it has been paid in full.
The blood of Christ is the ONLY thing that wipes out that sin balance. And if you don't apply it through faith, your balance remains and you still owe it.

 

There are no sinless people here on earth...so how can there be any in hell?

However, Joyce Meyer and my father in law both claim "sinless perfection", and that they havent committed a sin in years...hmmmmm....I hope they dont end up in hell.

AJ

 

And I am in agreement, but has the debate change anyone's view? Ganging up on another's position just for opposing it will never give enlightenment to the opposing view. Give what you have then let them take it or reject it. If a question is asked then answer. A question is an opportunity for understanding. A statement is a wall that says this barrier shall not be broken down.

 

Right Amy...

and what if a lost person was to stumble on this thread.. and see where SFIC said that rejecting Christ is not a sin?

It is a sin... it is the sin of unbelief.

A person is in Hell because their spiritual account was not paid in full...
The only way to get it paid in full is for them to accept Christ's payment.

To let the statement go that rejecting Christ is not a sin.. would be morally wrong... and a sin in itself...
To know to do good, and not do it is a sin...

Christ died for everyone's sins... but not all will accept him.. .some will reject him... and for that, they go to Hell.

 

Tim,

You said the payment was made available to all....the payment was made by Christ to His Father...the payment was accepted by the Father on our behalf. Salvation is made available to ALL through the Father's acceptance of Christ's payment.

The acceptance of Christ's payment (sacrifice/atonement) by the Father on our behalf can be compared to an inheritance left to an heir:

Someone in your family dies and leaves you an inheritance. You refuse to accept that inheritance. Was your non-acceptance a sin or a choice? Was the inheritance made available to you in spite of the fact that you rejected it? What are the consequences?

 

I don't mean to gang up on anybody. I'm just voicing my beliefs.
No offense is intended.

I'm with Rubato..start another thread and get our minds of of this. :laugh: