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Wine vs. Grapejuice @ Communion
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JerryL, Apr 26, 2008.
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Try reading some sermons before prohibition and you wil find much different information on wine.
The context of Acts 2:13 gives no indication of (gleukous) being a non alocholic beverage. In fact they were mocked and accused or drinking sweet wine (gleukous). If sweet wine were non-alcoholic then why were they accused of drinking something that would get them drunk?
Anyone who has raises grapes knows the nonsense that has been perpetuated upon Christians to support a pet theology. My parents were grape farmers and I have never heard such nonsense and the lies pushed on Christians from anywhere else. If grapes are left out for very many hours they begin to rot. They must be dried or made into wine. Rotting liquid grape juice will develop mold on top of the liquid.
The word for sweet wine (gleukous) is used in Job 32:19 and Acts 2:13.
Job 32:19, "Behold, my belly is like unvented wine, Like new wineskins it is about to burst. "
New wine in the fermentation process produces pressure on a wineskin. If wine were not wine then there would be no need for new wineskins. In that day in that weather grapes will either ferment or rot. The fermentation process produces alcohol.
Acts 2:12-15, "And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, "What does this mean?" But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine." But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: "Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. "For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day;"
How could they be mocked and thought to be drunk as if they had drunk (gleukous) and sweet wine was known to be non-alcoholic? -
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Let's get back on the topic of the OP folks. What are the whens and whys regarding the use of either grape juice or wine in communion?
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If this has been mentioned Please excuse me I didn't read all the Posts.
But from what I understand when in the Bible it mentions WINE it is speaking of what we see now as JUICE (un fermented) Fermented was called "Strong Drink" -
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"As the title of this article implies, we at Heritage Presbyterian Church have made a
change in an element of communion. Perhaps a better question for the broader
Evangelical Church would be, “Why did we ever change the wine in communion to
grape juice to begin with?”
When one of you answer my question in post #187 (which by the way IS on topic) we can see you two twist Scripture to make your view plausible.
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I thought you might dodge that question.
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Do a search, JerryL. It was not just grapes that wine was made out of. They used many kinds of fruits to produce wine.
If the question had to do with that particular church, the question was asked foolishly. Not everyone goes to that church and would not have the knowledge of why changes were made within its walls.
But the original Lord's Supper, and the one Paul taught to remember as oft as ye do, contained no alcoholic beverages... as has been shown time and again through Scripture. -
PS, the author of that Church made a rhetorical question in his heading. If you read the first paragraph he explains it pretty well. -
Answering that question makes your ideas fall on their face, eh? :laugh:
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'Don't even consider the alcoholic beverage' is the literal interpretation. -
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