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Woman with octuplets already has SIX at home!! (CBS news)
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windcatcher
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(CBS) CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.
And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.
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Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.
Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.
"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."
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On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.
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Crowded ........yes. But over populated? No! Ridiculous and unethical behavior if medically assisted.....yes. Mother insane? Yes, if its possible she did this on her own as suggested as a possibility...but aren't fertiliity drugs limited to prescribed availability and medical supervision?
Consider the crowd of men on board a ship or submarine: All 6 Billion people in the world now living would have standing room inside the City of Jacksonville, Florida!
Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.
There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.
The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.
Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.
And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.
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Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.
Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.
"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."
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On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."
Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.
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Crowded ........yes. But over populated? No! Ridiculous and unethical behavior if medically assisted.....yes. Mother insane? Yes, if its possible she did this on her own as suggested as a possibility...but aren't fertiliity drugs limited to prescribed availability and medical supervision?
Consider the crowd of men on board a ship or submarine: All 6 Billion people in the world now living would have standing room inside the City of Jacksonville, Florida!
Thinkingstuff
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Scarlett O. said:
Would you say that if she were a farmer? Good for her!
Marcia
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Enoch said:
:applause: :applause:
Imo, the media likes to point fingers at people with lots of children. Yes, this woman sounds irresponsible and probably should not have done this (if she did take fertility drugs). But it is not as bad as abortion and does not worry me as much as abortion.
Enoch said:
It's not about population control. It's about a woman who used fertility treatments irresponsibly.
No one is suggesting killing children. We are suggesting that perhaps it is inappropriate (or as I would say, unconscionably stupid) to take fertility treatments in her situation.
StefanM said:
I agree. Incredibly stupid and would be curious as to her motives.
She used fertility drugs, shes the oe who overstped her bounds, God didn't give her what she wanted so she went out and got it herself.Pastor Larry said:
She already has 6 kids, means she doesn't have fertility problems.
If ehr father is going back to work to support them all, means she can't support them herself. Guess whose going to contribute? You. Me. all of us. More kids means more governement money and prgrams for the next 18 years, and not a chance of her ever being denied getting more from tax payers. As it is she never has to work again. we're going to support her and 14 kids.
of course it's not new. I've watched people for years having kids just for the governement benefits, watched kids go without, very little food, no warm clothes or coats, not enough heat, house falling apart. But the parents have whatever they want, on us.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/family-in-octup.html
Read the link first, people. And read the report at foxnews.com.
I'll close by saying that I stand by my original post. This is not a case of Biblical mandates for family roles and wise decision-making. This is a case of gross irresponsibility.
The Biblical mandate to be fruitful and multiply does not mean ignore other Biblical mandates in doing so.
1. The woman already has 6 children all under the age of 7. To claim that she is infertile is nonsense and borderlines on a lie.
2. She has no husband, "man", or boyfriend to be a provider. Her father is going back to Iraq to work as a contractor. Now, there will be no grandfather in the home either.
3. She intentionally and with purpose had eight embryos (created via a sperm donor) placed in her body. I am not opposed to IVF, but I believe it is only for couples.....married couples.....who cannot bear ANY children otherwise. Nonetheless, placing EIGHT embryos is medically unsound. Multiples of that magnitude can cause develepmental delays and neurological damage for babies and can cause life-threatening problems for the mother. I do not believe in abortion. I also do not believe in placing eight embryos in one's body and playing a baby "lottery" in hopes that at least a couple of them might live. I do not believe in playing a baby lottery in hopes of none of them having any physiological damage. I personally believe that this is tempting God.
4. She lives with her bankrupt parents.....well, now, her bankrupt mother.
5. Who paid for the IVF?
6. I have no problems with large families. I enjoy watching Duggar family tv shows even though with this last baby (#19), I can see Michelle Duggar aging (not in a good way) and looking feeble. I do have a problem with someone who wants to have a Duggar-style family right now and who has no husband and no way to provide for the 14 children all under the age of 7.
7. Children are a blessing. Being stupid and grossly irresponsible is .... well, .....it's being stupid and grossly irresponsible. And nowhere in the Bible does God say to behave as if you don't have good sense. We are to be caretakers of what He has given us. That means to be responsible.
8. The children are here. They need to be taken care of. May God provide people who will help tend to them. May they be saved at an early age. And may others out there who see how much attention she is getting glean a lesson from this and not be influenced to emulate her.
Read the link first, people. And read the report at foxnews.com.
I'll close by saying that I stand by my original post. This is not a case of Biblical mandates for family roles and wise decision-making. This is a case of gross irresponsibility.
The Biblical mandate to be fruitful and multiply does not mean ignore other Biblical mandates in doing so.
1. The woman already has 6 children all under the age of 7. To claim that she is infertile is nonsense and borderlines on a lie.
2. She has no husband, "man", or boyfriend to be a provider. Her father is going back to Iraq to work as a contractor. Now, there will be no grandfather in the home either.
3. She intentionally and with purpose had eight embryos (created via a sperm donor) placed in her body. I am not opposed to IVF, but I believe it is only for couples.....married couples.....who cannot bear ANY children otherwise. Nonetheless, placing EIGHT embryos is medically unsound. Multiples of that magnitude can cause develepmental delays and neurological damage for babies and can cause life-threatening problems for the mother. I do not believe in abortion. I also do not believe in placing eight embryos in one's body and playing a baby "lottery" in hopes that at least a couple of them might live. I do not believe in playing a baby lottery in hopes of none of them having any physiological damage. I personally believe that this is tempting God.
4. She lives with her bankrupt parents.....well, now, her bankrupt mother.
5. Who paid for the IVF?
6. I have no problems with large families. I enjoy watching Duggar family tv shows even though with this last baby (#19), I can see Michelle Duggar aging (not in a good way) and looking feeble. I do have a problem with someone who wants to have a Duggar-style family right now and who has no husband and no way to provide for the 14 children all under the age of 7.
7. Children are a blessing. Being stupid and grossly irresponsible is .... well, .....it's being stupid and grossly irresponsible. And nowhere in the Bible does God say to behave as if you don't have good sense. We are to be caretakers of what He has given us. That means to be responsible.
8. The children are here. They need to be taken care of. May God provide people who will help tend to them. May they be saved at an early age. And may others out there who see how much attention she is getting glean a lesson from this and not be influenced to emulate her.
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Marcia said:
I hate to think this..... but with her Dad returning to Iraq...... is it possible she and her family is from there...... and these children may not be valued in the way we normally think? Pray for these babies and children!
Women and girls are actually treated like the scum of the earth in Iraq. The order is men first, boys, livestock and other animals, then the women and girls. It is horrible! I belive the food and care of the livestock is more important than the females own food or well-being. It is very, very sad.windcatcher said:
It's not clear to me whether or not the grandfather is an Iraq-American or is just an American citizen who works over there as many do.
Does someone have a definitive answer on that?
Does someone have a definitive answer on that?
windcatcher
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The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.Scarlett O. said:
I think it's very possible this woman is being abused and/or exploited somehow. I really can't see the government paying for IVF for a woman who already has 6 kids, and I can't see the woman WANTING it, unless she is either crazy or is being forced against her will. The latter seems hightly probable to me if she is not married and is of Iraqi descent.
I would hate to find out she is being used by famility or "friends" only to have the media and even Christians throwing stones at her for her "irresponsibility." It would be very sad to be abused with people automatically assuming you're guilty of duping the taxpayers. Just something to think about.
I would hate to find out she is being used by famility or "friends" only to have the media and even Christians throwing stones at her for her "irresponsibility." It would be very sad to be abused with people automatically assuming you're guilty of duping the taxpayers. Just something to think about.
abcgrad94 said:
While, I agree with you 100%.....this is not the case.
Hear the grandmother's own words (Los Angeles AP) about how all 14 of them were from IVF and how her unmarried, unstable daughter has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96261B81
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