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Women in politics/leadership roles

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Gina B, Sep 11, 2003.

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  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    Does anyone on here have a problem with childless women taking on any of these roles? If so, how do you get around the biblical example of Deborah?
    Gina
     
    #1 Gina B, Sep 11, 2003
  2. Johnv

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    I don't have a problem with a woman, childless or not, taking on these roles. Deborah is a good example.
     
    #2 Johnv, Sep 11, 2003
  3. Gunther

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    Regardless of my personal position, why would Deborah have anything to do with it? Alot of stuff went on during God's dealing with Israel that we would not do today.

    I think that is a poor example.
     
    #3 Gunther, Sep 11, 2003
  4. Jimmy C

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    Deborah, Priscilla, Phoebe et al should pose real problems to those who think that women should walk two paces behind thier man, not speak unless spoken to and should never excercise any authority over men. However, it seems that sections of scripture that deal with them are not inspired and are easy to dismiss.

    but yet we will pull up, and take out of context OT scripture that deals with cross dressing in our discussions on swimwear!
     
    #4 Jimmy C, Sep 11, 2003
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    god can do as he pleases, but we need to do what we're told.
     
    #5 timothy 1769, Sep 11, 2003
  6. Johnv

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    Funny, when I make that statement about the Fourth Commentment, I'm reminded that we're not subject to the Law.
     
    #6 Johnv, Sep 11, 2003
  7. ScottEmerson

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    I don't have a problem at all, and I would even vote for a qualified woman president. (Not Hillary, because the operative word is "qualified." Condi Rice, anyone?)

    SEC
     
    #7 ScottEmerson, Sep 11, 2003
  8. Johnv

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    I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole, had she survived the primaries.
     
    #8 Johnv, Sep 11, 2003
  9. Jailminister

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    Titus 2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

    Women are not to be in leadership authority over the man. I am not able to support that that is contrary to God's Word.
     
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  10. Johnv

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    Funny how "keeper at home" gets perverted into "stay out of politics. Last time I checked, women were inhierently ordained to be in a position of authority, by virtue of being mothers.

    I've love to see your reaction if you ever get pulled over by a female police officer.
     
    #10 Johnv, Sep 11, 2003
  11. ChurchBoy

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    Condi Rice for President 2008!!!! [​IMG]
     
    #11 ChurchBoy, Sep 11, 2003
  12. Dr. Bob

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    Okay. I'm a slow learner. Is MY WIFE (the doctor) sinning here? She is
    discreet
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    good keeper of the home
    obedient to her husband

    (1) Where exactly does Scripture say she should not be in leadership?

    (2) Where exactly is her active role IN ADDITION to this against God's Word?

    (3) Where exactly does the Prov 31 woman fit in? She made merchandise, had a whole staff working for her, etc etc

    When you can show me SCRIPTURES instead of sucking ideas out of the latest issue of Sword of the Lord, let me know.
     
    #12 Dr. Bob, Sep 11, 2003
  13. Bro. James Reed

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    Your wife's a Dr.?

    So, would that make her Dr. Mrs. Dr. Bob? ;)

    BTW, my mother, even though I am grown, still holds a lot of sway over me. Perhaps you could call her my boss; she sure thinks she is anyway. :eek:
     
    #13 Bro. James Reed, Sep 11, 2003
  14. Brett

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    Your wife's a Dr.?

    So, would that make her Dr. Mrs. Dr. Bob? ;)

    </font>[/QUOTE]Hehe, nice one. [​IMG]

    I too don't understand how "keepers at home" translates into never having authority.
     
    #14 Brett, Sep 11, 2003
  15. Gina B

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    Jailminister, I don't understand. How does God set the precedent with Deborah and then it isn't supposed to be followed? Nowhere in the bible have I seen him say "this is an exception to what I expect of women", or anything that would imply such.
    Did God's laws for women and their role in life change in the bible? When? Where? :confused:
    Gina
     
    #15 Gina B, Sep 11, 2003
  16. Gunther

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    Gina, what makes you think God was setting the prescedent? How do you know it wasn't a judgment upon the men of Israel for being cowardly?
     
    #16 Gunther, Sep 12, 2003
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    How do you know that other times weren't a judgment on women for the same reason?
    There were many instances in the bible where men were unwilling or afraid. God didn't use a woman because he was out of options in those situations, he changed the hearts of the people he WANTED to use. Look at what lengths he went through to do this with Jonah.
    So...it doesn't seem to go along with the nature of God to use women in place of men when men are unwilling.
    Also, what kind of judgment is that, sending someone to bring them victory and back into God's favor? I fail to see how that was a judgement agaist them.
    Gina
     
    #17 Gina B, Sep 12, 2003
  18. Gunther

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    Gina, I am not trying to argue this.

    I vaguely remember a passage in Isaiah where it seems to hint at a people who are under judgment because they are ruled by women and children. I will have to find it to see how accurate I am.

    The judgment was that God used Deborah to demonstrate the spineless qualities of the men.

    Btw, why would a victory in battle necessarily prove God's favor?
     
    #18 Gunther, Sep 12, 2003
  19. Gina B

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    Their victory under Deborah was miraculous. Maybe you're not familiar with it? Go read. [​IMG] (hey, I wasn't familiar with hardly anything except hte story of Joseph and Daniel and Noah until two years ago, and that was only what I remembered from Sunday School stories!)
    I'm not arguing with you either, just asking you to show a good reason why you aren't agreeing with what I said. :D
    Gina
     
    #19 Gina B, Sep 12, 2003
  20. SaggyWoman

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    If men do not assume authority over their women, why is it a "usurp" problem? Men would then be the ones who were the wusses and need to get a grip.
     
    #20 SaggyWoman, Sep 12, 2003
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