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Featured women preachers/pastors....biblical or not?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by pastorcwb, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. pastorcwb

    pastorcwb New Member

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    1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV)
    12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    my daughters piano recital was at a church uptown. The pastor stood at the door inviting everyone in. I was shocked to find the pastor was a woman with hair bobbed off to her ears and wearing pants. I wanted to leave but stayed for my daughters sake...what is this church world coming to?
     
  2. One Baptism

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    A good resource - 'All Gender' Pastors? - What Hath Scripture To Say?
     
  3. annsni

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    SO many liberal churches now have women pastors and even some conservative churches are allowing women to be pastors. As your scripture reference above shows, it is not the plan that God has for the church.
     
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    If they have a woman pastor they have left conservatism.
     
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    Bible? Most denominations seem to have quit reading it.
     
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    Rev. John Yates (a Gospel Coalition Councilmember with Albert Mohler, Mark Dever, etc.) pastors a conservative church with several women pastors:

    tfcanglican.org/visit/our-team/

    Rev. Mary Amendolia Gardner
    Rev. Kathleen Christopher
    Rev. Lisa Henderson

    A challenging Bible sermon from Rev. Kathleen Christopher:

    tfcanglican.org/sermon/gods-amazing-family/

    Most importantly, no bobbed hair in their photos!
    Not sure about the slacks thing though.
     
  7. One Baptism

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    Forget "conservatism" brother, if they do it knowingly [some are simply deceived, some are deceiving], they have left "converted" far behind, and are in the same position that Lucifer was in Heaven, seeking a position that never could be his, and could never fill. They are promoting the very same idea satan gave to Eve at the beginning, a position of authority never meant for her [see my link - WOe unto us... ...

    Isaiah 3:12 KJB - As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

    1 Timothy 2:12 KJB - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.​
     
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    John Calvin, Institutes IV.10.29-30:

    "the hours set apart for public prayer, sermon, and solemn services; during sermon, quiet and silence, fixed places, singing of hymns, days set apart for the celebration of the Lord’s Supper, the prohibition of Paul against women teaching in the Church, and such like....things of this nature are not necessary to salvation, and, for the edification of the Church, should be accommodated to the varying circumstances of each age and nation, it will be proper, as the interest of the Church may require, to change and abrogate the old, as well as to introduce new forms. I confess, indeed, that we are not to innovate rashly or incessantly, or for trivial causes. Charity is the best judge of what tends to hurt or to edify: if we allow her to be guide, all things will be safe.
    Things which have been appointed according to this rule, it is the duty of the Christian people to observe with a free conscience indeed, and without superstition, but also with a pious and ready inclination to obey. They are not to hold them in contempt, nor pass them by with careless indifference, far less openly to violate them in pride and contumacy. You will ask, What liberty of conscience will there be in such cautious observances? Nay, this liberty will admirably appear when we shall hold that these are not fixed and perpetual obligations to which we are astricted, but external rudiments for human infirmity, which, though we do not all need, we, however, all use, because we are bound to cherish mutual charity towards each other. This we may recognise in the examples given above. What? Is religion placed in a woman’s bonnet, so that it is unlawful for her to go out with her head uncovered? Is her silence fixed by a decree which cannot be violated without the greatest wickedness? Is there any mystery in bending the knee, or in burying a dead body, which cannot be omitted without a crime? By no means. For should a woman require to make such haste in assisting a neighbour that she has not time to cover her head, she sins not in running out with her head uncovered. And there are some occasions on which it is not less seasonable for her to speak than on others to be silent. Nothing, moreover, forbids him who, from disease, cannot bend his knees, to pray standing. In fine, it is better to bury a dead man quickly, than from want of grave-clothes, or the absence of those who should attend the funeral, to wait till it rot away unburied. Nevertheless, in those matters the custom and institutions of the country, in short, humanity and the rules of modesty itself, declare what is to be done or avoided."
     
  9. thatbrian

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    Nice quote. It doesn't address the issue of female pastor; however, the Bible clearly does.
     
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  10. ChrisTheSaved

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    I would like to add ..

    "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." 1 Cor. 14:33-35

    This added with other scripture shows the clear desire of God to have ladies not pastor. The twisting and scratching men do to enable women to preach shocks me. Why do men reject the will of God to place ladies in leadership roles they naturally do not want. Why is it most female pastors are reprobates? You should start worrying when people start reaching outside the Bible to make a point.

    Two different situations by Paul, same message.
     
  11. JonShaff

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    Hello!

    Let me just jump right in and say that 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Timothy 3 has a terrible "Chapter break".

    1 Timothy 2 states....
    12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

    and then directly goes into...

    1 TIm. 3

    3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.

    Yes, Paul is INTENTIONALLY speaking to the duties of men and women . He is INTENTIONALLY prohibiting certain individuals from leading a local body.

    Paul writes the purpose of his epistle...

    1 TIm 3

    14 These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    Paul Discusses the conduct of men, the Conduct of women, the duties of women (discipling their Children) and the duties of Men (Leading the Home and Church).
     
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    I am curious to here what the women think about this topic. Oh wait, Baptist women are not allowed to speak. How forgetful of me.
     
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    It also says that women are saved through childbearing and that elders must be married. Sorry single pastors, you are not qualified. Women, just pop out some babies and you will be saved.
     
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    While i know you are just being "cheeky"...the Question is really, what does the Holy Writ have to say about it. And if a woman of God is rightly dividing the Word of Truth without presuppositions, prejudices, or biases...they would come to the Conclusion of what the Holy Spirit intended for us to understand.
     
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    Obviously you do not understand the meaning of these passages, which would lead you to faulty conclusions. If you understood them correctly, you would not be making snide comments about the Word of God.
     
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    So I guess it is obvious where I stand. The questions in regards to 1 Timothy is a hermeneutical one. Is a message to the Church in Ephesus (no women leaders) mean that it is normative for all churches and all Christians at all time? Scripture also tells us to greet eachother with a holy kiss. Yet I do not see people puckering up at church.
     
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    The point was that we obviously know those are incorrect conclusions. Poor hermeneutics can have a terrible effect on doctrine. I believe that the "women cannot be leaders" belief needs to be looked at more closely.
     
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    I agree, poor hermeneutics leads to bad doctrine and practice. What are your thoughts on the passage?
     
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    The Holy Writ is talking about the women in the Ephesian Church who had a history trying to dominate men. There is nothing to suggest that an instruction directed toward a single demographic is normative for all.
     
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    Sorry. I posted a short answer on #19.
     
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