In the above verses it is clear that Jesus is speaking of those who are already born again.
The above verses shows Jesus is speaking of people who are not yet born again.
So why the difference in the two words? If Jesus in the second set of verses is speaking of the elect why did He not use that word like He did in the previous verses?
It is clear to me that the use of the word "world" contextually means Jesus is speaking of more than just the "elect".
Please withhold rude and accusing remarks in this thread.
World vs. Elect
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by mandym, Aug 3, 2012.
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Joh_6:33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Did Christ give life to the whole world? Does everyone in the world have eternal life? -
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I asked that you not do this. Apparently you cannot reasonably answer the op. Sarcasm is all you have left. -
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Fal is the only one who has made an attempt to address the actual op.
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Looking at the John 3 passage. John 6 is a different context and will have to look at that separately.
Now I'm on that say that "world" here is more than just the elect.
Here's the passage
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”
(John 3:16-21 ESV)
Let's look at the verse 16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
It says that whever believes. Whoever out of what? the world. We are speaking of the believers here. The "whoever believes in him" are believers. These, the believers, are the ones that will be saved. It has always been that salvation is for believers only.
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."
Christ purpose was to save. He wasn't here to condemn. Why? They are already condemned.
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. "
They are already condemned because they do not believe. And why don't they believe?
"And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. "
Jesus is this light and they love their sin more than they love Christ. This is the problem with mankind.
"For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”" -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Not Israel only.....the elect are world wide...
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
"For God so loved the world....
let's assume that it means every person ever.
"That he gave his only son"
ok, so because of the love of God to the world, he gave his son. For what purpose?
"that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Jesus died for believers. The death of Christ was never intended to be for unbelievers. So while I can agree that the term "world" means more than just the elect, it doesn't say his death was meant for unbelievers. (and by unbelievers I mean those that die as unbelievers) -
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
It does not say taketh away the sin of the elect. -
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