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Yes, I understand that but I am wondering if the opposition expressed as "false Christ" was saying that SDA are all cultic? In the case of Mormons, which you mention, Carpro, they are cultic beyond a shadow of a doubt based upon Mormon doctrine and theology.

In other words, I am not clear about whether the debate is that Dr. Carson is cultic or that Dr. Carson believes differently theologically. I infer that the charge is that Dr. Carson is cultic. For the record, I disagree with SDA but I try not to judge people by what day is sacred to them.

 

Oh, I am not as intelligent as you so what you call self-evident shows that you are smarter. Specifically, I wanted to make sure that you were saying that Dr. Carson is cultic so that I can disagree that he is not cultic just because he has different doctrine on a peripheral subject. All of the SDA fancy steps merely state that people who observe the Lord's Day (Sunday) go to hell, huh? Of course, I don't believe that.

Romans 14:5 (KJV) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

 

Nor do I, but SDAs do. It's part of their doctrine.

 

It has been a while since I looked into SDA doctrine. They held a national convention here once and Dr. Corrie Servas lives here so we get some news about them. My thinking is that some are cultic and some are not. On the essentials of doctrine, many are Christians. I do not know Dr. Carson's specific doctrinal beliefs but to say that people who go to church on Sunday go to hell is wrong based upon Romans 14 and so therefore I disagree with that doctrine, which I consider peripheral and not essential. I do not think that people who go to church on Saturday go to hell, for the record.

 

I would vote for Anybody as long as they're not a democrat.

 

SDAs consider it essential.

 

I understand. I wrote and posted my statement at almost the same time as you did. I didn't see yours first.

 

I am not using SDA terminology on what is essential Christianity and what is peripheral. Essential doctrines are the main doctrines that all Christians worldwide subscribe to. Peripheral doctrine deals with issues such as communion, method of baptism, etc. Of course, we all know that the SBC is so smart that they have everything correct....

 

OK Since SDAs hold as "essential" the doctrine that salvation depends on worshiping on Saturday and other Christians worldwide do not, in your view, what does that mean?

 

Okay, good question. I will attempt to list the essential Christian doctrines but please consider this an informal statement and not a formal theological statement, because I am only a layman and never attended seminary. Actually, I believe the Baptist Faith and Message of the SBC without any exception. But for an ancient statement of Christian essential doctrines, let me say:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Now, I don't believe that baptism is a sacrament but an ordinance.

On the subject of this thread, I think that some SDA are Christians and I would vote for them but I think that Dr. Carson is too green politically to cope with the corruption and cynical lying of Hillary in debate.

 

If that's the lie you want to believe, that's your privilege. But y'all still need to shut up about all moral issues when it comes to the Presidency if it's apples vs oranges.

Pure foolishness and a benefit of the doubt that I'm sure you nor any of your foolish talk speaking friends would give to an atheist or a Muslim.

But y'all aren't trying to elect a pastor-in-chief. So why does it matter what his moral beliefs are?

Again pure foolishness based upon a worldly desire to hypocritically hold one party's candidates to a different standard.

Scripture says if it the wisdom didn't come from above, it came from the devil. So again, why are evangelicals for the sake of electing someone ignoring the unequal yoking of Who you say you follow and who a potential Presidential candidate follows?

Some of you continue to be an embarrassment to the cause of Christ when it comes to your politics.

That's generally how folks with situational convictions respond. Guess he can't be any worse than yoking yourselves to the Muslim.

 

My personal opinion is that the good DR. is kinda loco. He's been saying some crazy stuff. I think Lindsey Graham said it best this past week when he stated:

If y'all aren't electing the pastor in chief, why is her moral dishonesty an issue?

 

Just something I guess I'm never gonna understand. With the amount of evangelicals in this country, we can't find a candidate who follows Christ and who isn't just bat crazy?