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    Yeah, theistic evolution just isn’t my cup of tea. God has created and shaped so much just to provide the planet we inhabit.

    Worldview certainly affects how “scientific facts” are presented, especially in the highly theoretical realms of cosmology, (a)biogenesis, evolutionary biology, and even quantum mechanics. But this does not mean there are no valid discoveries being made. We should focus on and effectively challenge the invalid philosophical statements.
     
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    I read somewhere that the NASA scientists were shocked when we landed on the Moon, as they had built the Landing bug with those big bowls on the end of the legs, as thought that moon dust would be like 30 ft thick, but was only a few inches thick! That was due to billions of years of dust pile up were expecting!
     
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    For example:

    Most people read the Bible in their native language, and in English on this board. Some might have studied the Greek and Hebrew of the Bible well enough to read it that way. But does anyone speak "Bible Greek" and "Bible Hebrew" (and Aramaic) natively?

    Did the Holy Spirit miraculously enable you to communicate with God in that way so that you don't need your native language anymore? Does your native culture and time span and match those of the Bible writers and characters, so that you need no help from any man whatsoever?
     
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    The missing information is that the Doppler Effect is referring to the appearance of differences in speed. That is only part of the equation. It has already been proven that time is not really constant, at all. It changes, depending on where it is observed. A clock ticks at a different rate, depending on its altitude, for example.
    But again, we run into other issues, too, when we try to use Uniformitarianism. Not only do we assume, incorrectly, that light travels at a constant speed, but we also assume that every process in the universe is the same, today, as it was in the past. Yet even the "Big Bang" scientists and their allies claim that there was a moment of rapid expansion, right after the "bang." Then they say everything slowed down to its present rate (more or less).
    If we are allowed to include such rapid expansion in the 6 day Creation model, we don't need to try to fit long ages into what the Bible says to explain light from distant stars reaching the Earth. It would have been there from the first moments after they were created.

    There is another really big problem with making the 6 days into 6 long ages. That would mean that the order of the Creation, as recorded in the Bible, has a massive error in it, because the light was created days before the sun, moon and stars. If there is an error there, how can anything else recorded in the Bible really be trusted?
     
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    I have The Holy Spirit, Almighty God who is able above and beyond all persons, culture and circumstance and if I "need" a man the Spirit will lead me to the man of His choosing.
     
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    …or vice versa, that is, or God will lead that man to you, in some way. The truth is that he has done so in so many ways, down through the ages. Our God is awesome.:)

    It is undeniable fact that God has used and does use other people, many of them, to work in all of our lives to bring us to him and closer to him. I see no reason to resist this truth.

    It is a major way God works, and we see that throughout the Bible. He doesn’t need us or them of course--God can do things however he wants--he just includes us and them, because God is just that good. I’m thankful to God for all of those whom he has used to do so much to make His Word available to me, accessible to me.:)
     
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    Regardless of what you mean by Evolution, DNA does effectively rule out abiogenesis. To believe that biological coding arose spontaneously anywhere in a purposeless universe is to embrace magic without a magician. I’m gonna have to go with God on this one. I think even the militant atheist spokesman Anthony Flew became a theist because of this.
     
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    You're not getting it. They are saying it can't be known, scientifically, if the earth really moves. That's their point. There is no truth value to either model, because both can be justified. Not just mathematically. Really.

    Internationally renown Astrophysicist George F. R. Ellis explains: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations….For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations….You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that."

    Big Bang Theory
     
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    A favorite movie of mine is Interstellar. It dabbled in the dilation of time. The late Dr. Chuck Missler did a series on this. What is to us 6 or 7 thousand years projected out to however large the universe actually is can be billions of years at the same time. In Interstellar, the first planet (Miller's planet) not only cost them 7 Earth years an hour, but they arrived several Earth years after the previous astronaut crash landed there... but once there it was only moments after she crashed.

    Time and gravity are linked in peculiar ways.

    Time passes slower at lower altitudes....

    My point is, don't get your hopes up about how long it took the Dog Star to form and attach it to your faith in the God who created it all as if it could some how explain that there is no God...

    There are other ways to address this proof scientifically (like the first and second laws of thermodynamics proving that nothing should exist yet here we are). Max entropy means nothing in physics is eternal and Conservation means from nothing nothing comes... so without God who transcends physics nothing would exist.

    I can't prove it, but the fact that time dilates and is depended upon gravity, and that we are prisoners of the perpetual now... tells me that it all happened all at once. That galaxies billions of light years away began at the same moment we did here at the same distances they are today (or that they were at 7 k years ago) with visible light radiating here from that same point in time of creation.

    Scientists will poo poo this, but these same scientists poo poo the decay of c. (which is proven fact) that the speed of light is slowing down and at a rate that (7k years ago) could have been infinite (or as Trekkers say Warp 10).
     
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    You're right, to a point. No kind of LIVING animal was left behind. But again, you YEs have the prob of over 99% of all species that are known to have existed, to now be extinct. Some, such as the dodo & passenger pigeon, became extinct recently, largely thru the working of man. But most were never seen alive by any man. They lived in prehistoric times.

    Another prob for YEs is that, in fossil beds, very few current species are found That's cuz God hadn't then created them. Sorry, YEs; you're sticking your finger in the dike against a FLOOD of OE evidence.
     
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    Yes, it was a globe of water after God ended the previous "age" & prepared to make the current arrangement. And the land was under that water til God called it forth.

    The moon was most likely a free-floating object that got close enough to earth to be captured by its gravity, by God's will and workings.. But we don't know for sure.
     
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    if the speeda light is indeed growing slower, then it will take the light from extremely-distant objects LONGER to reach us.
     
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    Hello, Kelso! Gladta meetcha!

    Much of the YE's stuff is imagination, opinion, & guesswork. They simply CANNOT account for such things as the time it takes light & other rays from distant objects to reach us, the geological evidence in earth itself, the lack of historical mention of most of the animal species that have ever lived on earth, etc. etc. YEs are trying to wish their theory into reality by shoehorning opinion in among FACT.
     
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    I believe we have more-than-adequate PROOF for the motions of the earth, moon, planets, galaxy, etc. & for the speeda light & other rays & waves, the distances between the planets & from the sun, etc. And remember, there are a few well-educated & eminent scientists in every branch of it who live in an imaginary world.

    Right now, it takes light/radio about 13 min. 48 seconds to reach mars, or from Mars to earth. That's known from communicating with the InSight lander. (This time varies from 4 min. to 24 min. depending upon the nearness of earth & Mars to each other.) There's simply no denying that FACT.

    There's NOT some big conspiracy going on to make that all up. There's simply not that much cooperation between the scientists of the various nations to agree on such a coup. So, I tend to dismiss willy-nilly theories to the category of "falt-earth", having seen the curvature of earth from an airplane & watched ships sail over and from the horizon. I watched the various moon landings & heard the delays between the radio messages back & forth from the moon.

    Yes, all those conspiracy theories are as phony as doctrines of faith/worship invented by man.
     
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    In his zeal, Dr. Morris does NOT take into account the FACT that over 99% of all species known to have ever lived on earth are now extinct. But Scripture says Noah took at least one pair of EVERY KIND of land creature into the ark.

    Learned as he is, Dr. Morris must still add a blort of imagination, opinion, & guesswork to his theories. He needs to look at the EVIDENCE with an UNBIASED eye, if possible. If he did, he'd likely back up 17 yards & punt away the YE theory.
     
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    That theory of the moon is outdated since lunar samples were returned to earth. Also, we now know that the moon has water in its rocks.
     
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    It does take long for a species to emerge or to go extinct. It is just a question of genetics. After the Genesis Flood some kinds were not able to adapt and the 700 years of Ice Age destroyed others. For example, some kinds of cats may be extinct but we still have many other species of cats. Wouldn't you agree that earth is teeming with life?
     
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