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Your thoughts: Nurseries in High Schools
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SpiritualMadMan
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To allow a girl in trouble to continue their education I think it would be a great idea.
MY wife and I have discussed this several times and she really has a heart for this type of ministry.
HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the absence of abstinance education and Christian Counselling I think it would be counter productive.
That is, if run inside and by the school system planned parenthood would be involved and that would only make things worse...
The ideal situation is for the Christian Pregnancy centers to have an off-shoot ministry where some form of transportation to get the moms to school and a place to take care of the babies free would be provided.
A computer and study center would also be good...
This would do two things...
First, provide a viable alternative to abortion for teens wishing to complete their education.
Two, and most importantly, provide a place of Christian Refuge and Education towards the Salvation of their souls...
MY wife and I have discussed this several times and she really has a heart for this type of ministry.
HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the absence of abstinance education and Christian Counselling I think it would be counter productive.
That is, if run inside and by the school system planned parenthood would be involved and that would only make things worse...
The ideal situation is for the Christian Pregnancy centers to have an off-shoot ministry where some form of transportation to get the moms to school and a place to take care of the babies free would be provided.
A computer and study center would also be good...
This would do two things...
First, provide a viable alternative to abortion for teens wishing to complete their education.
Two, and most importantly, provide a place of Christian Refuge and Education towards the Salvation of their souls...
Yep - what a wonderful ministry this would be for these young mothers.
Sounds good
Seriously? When we had our first child, my husband was starting a new business. We were working off of my salary and there was no way we could afford having a baby. But we did it and that baby will be 21 in just a couple of weeks. Should we have put her up for adoption? Even my doctor says "Don't wait until you can afford a baby because then you'd never have one."
Obviously you could afford it. I'm speaking of situations where a person is unable to provide for their child.
Who says that because a high school student had a baby means that the child is not provided for? Yes, oftentimes the grandparents need to step in to help but the child is provided for. If the mother wishes to not keep her baby, that's fine but if she chooses to keep it, what's the big deal with providing child care for her to finish her education? Many large companies provide free child care for their employees. Does that mean they should also put their child up for adoption?
There's quite a difference between an employer providing child care (and trust me it's not free, it is figured into a person compensation package) and a public school providing child care.
If you wish to provide child care to people that can't afford it, by all means set up a charity to do so. Using my tax dollars to fund some else's poor decision is not right.
That's the big deal with providing child care for her to finish her education. I shouldn't have to pay for her poor choices. If she makes a poor choice and gets herself in a bad situation, then she either needs to step up and get a job (or two), her family needs to help her, her church needs to help her, or a private charity needs to help her. Tax payers should not be on the hook for other people's poor choices.
Well, guess what? She has a better chance of NOT sucking the tax payers dry if she has an education. So we either pay a little for some childcare now or a lot later on welfare. I'd rather do the childcare.
I think it's a great idea. These girls typically do NOT finish their education. And they typically get no help from the church who has branded them as whores and will have nothing to do with them except to gossip about them and look down their noses at them and tell their young boys to "stay away from those harlots!".
The young men who father these babies abandon them and merely go off to father more children. These "fathers" are allowed to finish their education, get scholarships, go off to college, and basically have a life.
I hate to sound like a harpy, but I've seen it all too many times.
That last high school where I taught has two young girls with babies - both by the same young man who was SOOOOO proud of himself. He was highly popular.
The first young lady had no idea that he was also sleeping with the second young lady. She actually had the silly notion that he loved her and wanted to marry her when they got out of school. She was devastated when she found out that he simply walked away and crushed to find out that she wasn't the only one in his life. She sucked it all up and learned a very valuable lesson.
She had to miss a good bit of school because of the baby. But she would call the school and get her work for the days she had to miss. When she came back to school, her work was done and done correctly. Done better than some of the others who were actually there.
I bought her baby a gift and gave it to her at school. She was shocked that anyone even cared about the baby. She loved that baby so much. I told her, "I'm not giving you this present to reward you, I'm giving you this because the baby, I'm sure really needs it. Let me tell you something. I think you are doing a great job. You need to keep on focusing just on your studies and you need to make a plan of how you are going to support yourself and this baby this summer after you graduate. You need to stop having sex with any young man - period - until you get married. I don't want to sound preaching, but it's true. I think you have learned that though without me telling you. This all didn't turn out like you thought it would, now did it. You see how quickly people, even your own mother, have turned their backs on you. Take care of yourself and take care of that baby. God will send you a very decent man someday who will love you both. Until then, you and your son are your ONLY priority."
It would have been so good had there been a nursery at school.
I don't believe in forcing these girls to give up their babies if they do not want to. If they want to be a mother to their children, then they should be helped by whomever is will to do so - her family, the church, the school system, or the government.
Help should not be a mere "handout" that encourages dependence, but should encourage responsibility, accountability, and should give the girl a chance, just like the father of that baby has, for a life.
The young men who father these babies abandon them and merely go off to father more children. These "fathers" are allowed to finish their education, get scholarships, go off to college, and basically have a life.
I hate to sound like a harpy, but I've seen it all too many times.
That last high school where I taught has two young girls with babies - both by the same young man who was SOOOOO proud of himself. He was highly popular.
The first young lady had no idea that he was also sleeping with the second young lady. She actually had the silly notion that he loved her and wanted to marry her when they got out of school. She was devastated when she found out that he simply walked away and crushed to find out that she wasn't the only one in his life. She sucked it all up and learned a very valuable lesson.
She had to miss a good bit of school because of the baby. But she would call the school and get her work for the days she had to miss. When she came back to school, her work was done and done correctly. Done better than some of the others who were actually there.
I bought her baby a gift and gave it to her at school. She was shocked that anyone even cared about the baby. She loved that baby so much. I told her, "I'm not giving you this present to reward you, I'm giving you this because the baby, I'm sure really needs it. Let me tell you something. I think you are doing a great job. You need to keep on focusing just on your studies and you need to make a plan of how you are going to support yourself and this baby this summer after you graduate. You need to stop having sex with any young man - period - until you get married. I don't want to sound preaching, but it's true. I think you have learned that though without me telling you. This all didn't turn out like you thought it would, now did it. You see how quickly people, even your own mother, have turned their backs on you. Take care of yourself and take care of that baby. God will send you a very decent man someday who will love you both. Until then, you and your son are your ONLY priority."
It would have been so good had there been a nursery at school.
I don't believe in forcing these girls to give up their babies if they do not want to. If they want to be a mother to their children, then they should be helped by whomever is will to do so - her family, the church, the school system, or the government.
Help should not be a mere "handout" that encourages dependence, but should encourage responsibility, accountability, and should give the girl a chance, just like the father of that baby has, for a life.
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SpiritualMadMan
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Good Word, Scarlett! :thumbsup:
For most of these girls it will simply be a foot in the door of welfare for life.
Why aren't the fathers held accountable? There is a system in place to require child support from the fathers. You act as if the fathers can simply walk away and have no obligation at all. That's simply not the truth of it.
In many places that it true.
But in some areas, especially where this type of behavior has been accepted for generations, the cycle is hard to break.
This young girl, for example. Who was going to help her to get this young man to be accountable? Her own father was absent. Her mother didn't care. She didn't know any avenues to pursue. And the community was smack in the middle of shanty-town where the double standard is the only standard anybody knows. There was no one who cared if this lifestyle continued into the next generation. It was all that some of these people knew.
You would have to understand the environment that she came from.
I should have qualified all of that.
Yes, I have seen in my own family, young men who either voluntarily step up to the plate or by the influence of their own families, especially their fathers, did the accountable thing.
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No.
First and foremost, the public is not responsible for the care of another's child.
None.
None. In a system in which money is extorted from me to educate another's child, you would now being saying I'm responsible for another's bad behavior and the cost thereof. But I'm not. She is.
She won't get a better education than the one that teaches her she is responsible for her own actions.
Wouldn't a daycare in highschools send the message to the students that out of wedlock children by children is acceptable?
Schools already provide the "how to" in the form of sex ed, free condoms in many cases and now free day care?
What's next?
A cozy little place to get away for the prospective parents so that they can rendezvous without parental interference?
Schools already provide the "how to" in the form of sex ed, free condoms in many cases and now free day care?
What's next?
A cozy little place to get away for the prospective parents so that they can rendezvous without parental interference?
I really don't think the majority of teens are having more children because there is child care. Trust me - having a baby is enough.
I DO think, however, that there should be some sort of "pay back" for the teen to receive these services. Whether it be a special program for them to attend to graduate - and help take care of the other babies as well - or some other option, I think that would work well.
I taught reproductive education and I taught the state mandated abstinence education unit. I don't know of anything that I taught that would make young people desire to have sex or teach them that having sex before marriage was acceptable.
There was no "how to" in my classes.
I don't know of any school who passes out free condoms except the occasion liberal outliers. The average school does NOT do that.
It's a HUGE misconception that if you talk to children about sex and it's consequences and it's appropriate place that all of a sudden they are all going to rush out and have sex.
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