Terrorist Sent to His Reward

[Marcia]

Certainly it deters 100% in the case of the executed.

Dead men can't commit murder.

That's not what is meant by "deterrent."

 

[targus]

That's not what is meant by "deterrent."

Yes, I know - it meant to make a point and be humorous at the same time.

My observation of human nature tells me that people tend to push the envelope in most situations. That is we go to a point of familiarity and then just a little further each time that we are in a particular situation.

Bank robbers don't start out as bank robbers. They start by stealing small things and then work their way up.

Little kids don't start out by moving away to college. They start by walking to the edge of the driveway and then over the years venture further and further from home.

I would guess that people who kill also are a little quicker to do it again each time too - maybe with less provocation each time.

Execution is one way to be sure that they don't continue to push that envelope.

 

[Marcia]

Yes, I know - it meant to make a point and be humorous at the same time.

I've heard it too many times to find it funny - it's just trite now. No offense. :wavey:

My observation of human nature tells me that people tend to push the envelope in most situations. That is we go to a point of familiarity and then just a little further each time that we are in a particular situation.

Bank robbers don't start out as bank robbers. They start by stealing small things and then work their way up.

Little kids don't start out by moving away to college. They start by walking to the edge of the driveway and then over the years venture further and further from home.

I would guess that people who kill also are a little quicker to do it again each time too - maybe with less provocation each time.

I agree with you.

Execution is one way to be sure that they don't continue to push that envelope.

However, to give the death penalty, a crime must meet certain standards and it's pretty strict. Usually, to ask for the death penalty requires one or more of the following: murder committed in the act of another felony (such as rape or bank robbery), murder of a law enforcement officer, murder that is unusually vicious (such as torture), murder while the victim is pleading for mercy (this needs to be witnessed unless the murderer admits it), murder for monetary gain, murdering more than one person, and a few others I may have forgotten. These also can vary somewhat by state.

So the average murder is not a death penalty case. And manslaughter -- accidental killing (involuntary manslaughter) or non-premeditated murder such as killing someone suddenly while in a rage or provoked (voluntary manslaughter) are not murder and cannot be death penalty cases.

 

[saturneptune]

All think he deserved the death penalty and rightly so. It sure seems odd to me that almost every post on this thread talks about the physical death of a man who was served justice, and little or nothing about the salvation of his soul. As one poster said, we are all capable. And yes, it was seven years not ten years ago, a fact which means nothing in this situation. It seems to me that especially those on this board would be thinking along spiritual lines rather than physical, especially in a life and death situation. Except for the mercy and grace of the Lord, and the sacrifice of Jesus, everyone of us deserve his fate.

 

[Marcia]

All think he deserved the death penalty and rightly so. It sure seems odd to me that almost every post on this thread talks about the physical death of a man who was served justice, and little or nothing about the salvation of his soul. As one poster said, we are all capable. And yes, it was seven years not ten years ago, a fact which means nothing in this situation. It seems to me that especially those on this board would be thinking along spiritual lines rather than physical, especially in a life and death situation. Except for the mercy and grace of the Lord, and the sacrifice of Jesus, everyone of us deserve his fate.

How are we not thinking along spiritual lines?

 

[saturneptune]

Maybe because post after post is about the execution, and not one word about the salvation of his soul. One comment was made after I brought the point up. On this board, I am at the bottom of the list for theological training, just an average worker and church goer. The normal person on this board is either a theologean, pastor, Bible teacher, or been to some type of seminary. You would think the thought of salvation would occur before facts about the death penalty and the execution.

 

[Robert Snow]

Maybe because post after post is about the execution, and not one word about the salvation of his soul. One comment was made after I brought the point up. On this board, I am at the bottom of the list for theological training, just an average worker and church goer. The normal person on this board is either a theologean, pastor, Bible teacher, or been to some type of seminary. You would think the thought of salvation would occur before facts about the death penalty and the execution.

I was commeting on his execution. It's a little late to worry about his eternal state. I'm sure during these past years in prison he had access to spiritual help if he wanted it.

I have not joy in knowing he has died, probably lost in his sins, but he only reaped the fruit of his work.

The reason for the death penalty is to be in obedience to the Word of God, not for personal revenge.

 

[saturneptune]

I was commeting on his execution. It's a little late to worry about his eternal state. I'm sure during these past years in prison he had access to spiritual help if he wanted it.

I have not joy in knowing he has died, probably lost in his sins, but he only reaped the fruit of his work.

The reason for the death penalty is to be in obedience to the Word of God, not for personal revenge.

Well, one part of your post is correct in that he "probably died in his sins" since neither you or any of the other experts of judging an individual have any idea what his final state before the Lord is, as you can only guess. Sometimes I wonder if those who are so adamant about this knowledge got a as seen on TV super duper Holy Spirit regeneration detector for 4 easy payments of 19.99 (shipment free).

No doubt he had access to spiritual help. He may or may not have wanted it. That really depends on the will of the Lord, doesn't it?

My point is, I did not expect anyone to know his destiny, but I certainly expected someone to think of it, and as I said above, especially in this group.

 

[Robert Snow]

Well, one part of your post is correct in that he "probably died in his sins" since neither you or any of the other experts of judging an individual have any idea what his final state before the Lord is, as you can only guess. Sometimes I wonder if those who are so adamant about this knowledge got a as seen on TV super duper Holy Spirit regeneration detector for 4 easy payments of 19.99 (shipment free).

No doubt he had access to spiritual help. He may or may not have wanted it. That really depends on the will of the Lord, doesn't it?

My point is, I did not expect anyone to know his destiny, but I certainly expected someone to think of it, and as I said above, especially in this group.

I don't believe I said anything about having any special knowledge concerning this man's eternal destiny. One thing I have noticed is that you seem to have great difficulity posting anything with out making some demeaning remark. Why is so difficult for you to show love toward your brothers and sisters in Christ?

 

[Nonsequitur]

Well, one part of your post is correct in that he "probably died in his sins" since neither you or any of the other experts of judging an individual have any idea what his final state before the Lord is, as you can only guess. Sometimes I wonder if those who are so adamant about this knowledge got a as seen on TV super duper Holy Spirit regeneration detector for 4 easy payments of 19.99 (shipment free).
(Or in your case, a 'Holier Than Thou' starter kit for the price of your ignorance.)
No doubt he had access to spiritual help. He may or may not have wanted it. That really depends on the will of the Lord, doesn't it?(No. No it does not. The Will of God is such that we all come to Him. He does NOT cause us to do so.)

My point is, I did not expect anyone to know his destiny, but I certainly expected someone to think of it, and as I said above, especially in this group.

Expected someone to think of it? I did.
Why do you think that I titled the thread,
' Terrorist Sent to His Reward'?
"In this group"?
What are you trying to say about us?
I'm sorry.
I don't speak for all here.
I'll ask another way.
What are you trying to say about me?

 

[Marcia]

Maybe because post after post is about the execution, and not one word about the salvation of his soul. One comment was made after I brought the point up.

Why have a word about his salvation when it seemed he wasn't saved.

On this board, I am at the bottom of the list for theological training, just an average worker and church goer. The normal person on this board is either a theologean, pastor, Bible teacher, or been to some type of seminary.

Are you sure about that? I don't know that that's true.

You would think the thought of salvation would occur before facts about the death penalty and the execution.

Why? I still don't get it. What is it that we are supposed to say?

 

[Steven2006]

Why have a word about his salvation when it seemed he wasn't saved.



Are you sure about that? I don't know that that's true.


Why? I still don't get it. What is it that we are supposed to say?

I believe I see his point. Isn't it be more natural for a Christian to be saddened by the death of someone that likely now is in hell for all eternity, rather than be satisfied or comforted by it?

 

[Marcia]

I believe I see his point. Isn't it be more natural for a Christian to be saddened by the death of someone that likely now is in hell for all eternity, rather than be satisfied or comforted by it?

Well, I never expressed satisfaction or comfort at the execution!!

 

[Steven2006]

Well, I never expressed satisfaction or comfort at the execution!!

I wasn't trying to imply that you did.

saturneptune comments seemed to be directed at the tenure of the entire thread. You said you didn't understand them. I was just commenting that I think I see his point.

 

[Nonsequitur]

I believe I see his point. Isn't it be more natural for a Christian to be saddened by the death of someone that likely now is in hell for all eternity, rather than be satisfied or comforted by it?

No.
You're wrong in that you did not read the original post.
Try Again/Abort/Quit?

 

[Nonsequitur]

I wasn't trying to imply that you did.

saturneptune comments seemed to be directed at the tenure of the entire thread. You said you didn't understand them. I was just commenting that I think I see his point.

Obviously, you haven't/don't get get the original post.

 

[Steven2006]

Your right, I missed his original post. I was responding to this one:

"Maybe because post after post is about the execution, and not one word about the salvation of his soul. One comment was made after I brought the point up."


I would agree there is not much to discuss in depth about how he might have been saved, we can now hope that might have been the case.

So I guess I agree with the point I thought he was making more than the one he actually made, :laugh:

 

[Nonsequitur]

Your right, I missed his original post. I was responding to this one:

"Maybe because post after post is about the execution, and not one word about the salvation of his soul. One comment was made after I brought the point up."


I would agree there is not much to discuss in depth about how he might have been saved, we can now hope that might have been the case.

So I guess I agree with the point I thought he was making more than the one he actually made, :laugh:

No, I don't rejoice that a lost, misguided soul went to Hell. I do rejoice that another finger of satan has been neutralized.
As all of them will.

The terrorist of Ft. Hood should be next. And quickly.

You mean this one?


So I guess I agree with the point I thought he was making more than the one he actually made, :laugh:[/QUOTE]

Gee, so now you know the point that I was trying to make but not the one I actually meant?
You'll make someone a fine wife someday.

 

[Steven2006]

No, I don't rejoice that a lost, misguided soul went to Hell. I do rejoice that another finger of satan has been neutralized.
As all of them will.

The terrorist of Ft. Hood should be next. And quickly.

You mean this one?


So I guess I agree with the point I thought he was making more than the one he actually made, :laugh:

Gee, so now you know the point that I was trying to make but not the one I actually meant?
You'll make someone a fine wife someday.[/QUOTE]

Actually I was never discussing your posts. I don't know what gave you that idea.

I was responding to Marcia about what I believed saturneptune might have meant when you started commenting to me.

 

[Nonsequitur]

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Gee, so now you know the point that I was trying to make but not the one I actually meant?
You'll make someone a fine wife someday.

Actually I was never discussing your posts. I don't know what gave you that idea.

I was responding to Marcia about what I believed saturneptune might have meant when you started commenting to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...........right. (cough)