It's that time of year again . . .

[webdog]

...if responsible, that would be a condition; and this was addressed in "dominion" and supported with scripture. Yet, ignored same as all other credible reasonings that go against your world taught sentiments.



Your logic in this argument would be atrocious if it weren’t so pathetic that I have to sympathize with your childlike reliance on things such as this negative proof fallacy (which was addressed) to keep your argument alive, …and your gloating over it and continuing in it…add circular reasoning, subjectivist fallacy, anything to continue in your unfounded rationalizations and doing so while dispersing accusations, even denying your own accusations. Yeah, this is worth debating with you…not.

Hmm, wonder if it would help to give scripture how to deal with one who argues like you and casts such accusations…nah…that would be a end up being a reportable personal attack wouldn’t it? This reminds me of a kid who when he couldn’t get his way in the neighborhood that we used to call the “Fire-Engine” …ah, never mind, I digress. :BangHead:

Busted out the Thesaurus (or is it the automatic complaint generator?) I see...

If you think enjoying death which is a byproduct of sin "worldly", I'm sure YOU can also supply Scripture for that notion as well.

 

[rbell]

Benjamin has stated on this thread it's perfectly acceptable to hunt for nothing more than a rug in front of the fireplace, that animals are here for our enjoyment to do with as we want.

And I'm not in agreement with that position.

And probably for the eleventh time, I have never said that. Please follow along, it's getting real old to have to keep reiterating that.

If I'm misunderstanding you, then my apologies. But here's what you've said...

The bottom line is (and has been supported here) the heartrate goes up when the animal near, it is in the crosshairs and the trigger is pulled. That is the culmination of the experience, the other things go along for the ride. In the one video I posted the person whispered "YES" as they saw the buck stumbe 40, 50 yards and begin to wobble. That is the thrill of death, not the thrill of being in nature, with buddies, etc.

So what you're saying, if I'm understanding you correctly, is indeed that we cannot hunt without enjoying "the thrill of the kill," and thus we are always in the wrong. I don't see how that is a mis-characterization of your words.

 

[rbell]

I don't kill flies, snakes, etc.

I waterboard them until they reveal al-Qaeda's plans.

 

[webdog]

So what you're saying, if I'm understanding you correctly, is indeed that we cannot hunt without enjoying "the thrill of the kill," and thus we are always in the wrong. I don't see how that is a mis-characterization of your words.

Should a believer enjoy "the thrill of the kill"? Should a believer take joy in death, a creation of sin? I'm not talking about providing for your family if you need to hunt for food...that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about the sport (recreation) of hunting which is NOT a necessity.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I love killing deer. :jesus:

 

[padredurand]

Should a believer enjoy "the thrill of the kill"? Should a believer take joy in death, a creation of sin? I'm not talking about providing for your family if you need to hunt for food...that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about the sport (recreation) of hunting which is NOT a necessity.

I sure hope your butcher hates his job. :thumbs:

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I sure hope your butcher hates his job. :thumbs:

No, that's different. It's OK for Webdog to pay somebody else to kill animals for his enjoyment, it's just not OK for us to harvest animals to feed our families.

 

[sag38]

I love killing deer. :jesus:

When I hunted I did too. What I hate is freezing my blessed assurance off.

 

[Johnv]

Should a believer enjoy "the thrill of the kill"? Should a believer take joy in death, a creation of sin? I'm not talking about providing for your family if you need to hunt for food...that is NOT what this thread is about. It is about the sport (recreation) of hunting which is NOT a necessity.

I understand Webdog's concern here, but I think people are polarizing on the topic just for the sake of polarizing. Any mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Hunting doesn't just involves the death of an animal. It involves the hunt. Hunting is difficult, requires patience, discernment, and fortitude. Getting food from hunting, fishing, etc, gives one a greater appreciation for how we get food in the first place. It used to be the norm that people had this appreciation. But in the day when most people buy meat products that don't remotely resemble the animal it came from, that appreciation is lost.

To reiterate, a mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Even though it is a sin to take pleasure in killing something indiscriminately, it is not a sin in and of itself to enjoy hunting. There is indeed a difference. That said, there are no doubt some people who hunt because they want to kill something. If they're doing it for that reason, they're doing it for the wrong reason.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

When I hunted I did too. What I hate is freezing my blessed assurance off.

LOL. I actually enjoy hunting in cold weather. The thrill of the hunt, the harvest of the animal, the scouting and tracking, and the HARD WORK it takes to clean and prepare the meat to feed my family is richly rewarding to me and holy and godly.

When I killed my first animal, a squirrel, the feelnig was one of godliness and holiness. I had subdued the earth and ruled over it. I had harvested an animal given to me for food according to the commandment of God.

The slothful man roasteth not that which he took in hunting: but the substance of a diligent man is precious. Prov 12:27

The key to success in hunting is diligence. This proverb has many applications but the analogy is great. Hunting is hard and rewarding work.

Some do treat it as a sport. It is not a sport to me. It is a god-given joy.

And for the record, hunting doesn't just start with deer season. There are squirrels, feral pigs, turkeys, waterfowl, et. lol

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I understand Webdog's concern here, but I think people are polarizing on the topic just for the sake of polarizing. Any mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Hunting doesn't just involves the death of an animal. It involves the hunt. Hunting is difficult, requires patience, discernment, and fortitude. Getting food from hunting, fishing, etc, gives one a greater appreciation for how we get food in the first place. It used to be the norm that people had this appreciation. But in the day when most people buy meat products that don't remotely resemble the animal it came from, that appreciation is lost.

To reiterate, a mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Even though it is a sin to take pleasure in killing something indiscriminately, it is not a sin in and of itself to enjoy hunting. There is indeed a difference. That said, there are no doubt some people who hunt because they want to kill something. If they're doing it for that reason, they're doing it for the wrong reason.

I agree. When my sons have asked to go hunting because they want to "kill a squirrel" I tell them, sure...as long as you eat it. We make good use of God's provisions.

They didn't like the idea of eating a squirrel so I guess they will wait until they are old enough for deer or turkeys.

 

[tinytim]

I understand Webdog's concern here, but I think people are polarizing on the topic just for the sake of polarizing. Any mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Hunting doesn't just involves the death of an animal. It involves the hunt. Hunting is difficult, requires patience, discernment, and fortitude. Getting food from hunting, fishing, etc, gives one a greater appreciation for how we get food in the first place. It used to be the norm that people had this appreciation. But in the day when most people buy meat products that don't remotely resemble the animal it came from, that appreciation is lost.

To reiterate, a mature Christian who hunts does not do so because it feels good to kill something. Even though it is a sin to take pleasure in killing something indiscriminately, it is not a sin in and of itself to enjoy hunting. There is indeed a difference. That said, there are no doubt some people who hunt because they want to kill something. If they're doing it for that reason, they're doing it for the wrong reason.

I'll agree 100% with that... will you Webdog?
And I bet 100% of the hunters on this thread will agree too.

VERY good post... IF that would have been posted in the first page.. we would have not stumbled and fumbled around in this debate!...

Good job!... OK.. Can we bring out hunting puns now?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I'll tell you how much we love to kill things: before I taught my boys to hunt, I made both of them sit down and watch "Opie the Birdman".

We've always taught them that having to kill something is a serious thing and not to be taken lightly.

 

[TC]

...and where did I call anyone a liar (your accusation) there?

When you accuse someone of making excuses to cover up their love of killing and state that since hunters eat breakfast before the hunt that they do not need food, you are accusing them of lying.

I have looked at hunting objectively. I did not grow up hunting as you assume because I disagree with you. I have begun to hunt in the last few years because of the ever increasing prices in the grocery stores and the concern I have over all the growth hormones, steroids, chemicals and medications they pump into the cows to get them to fatter faster. Grinding up animal by-products and feeding them to cows that were meant to eat grass is not natural. Eating such an unnatural diet cannot be good for the cow in the long run, and therefore, it cannot good for us.

 

[THEOLDMAN]

I just got back from hunting deer in the Mississippi Delta National Forest. My little brother and I had great fellowship together in the woods. We saw five does (they were legal to kill) but no bucks today. We passed on the does....because we wanted a huge buck with giant antlers. Bucks make good sausage, but we also like to mount the horns so we can enjoy their beauty , and memories of our hunt every time we look at them.
I enjoy hunting. I am an animal lover. I help thin the herd and manage a God given resource because.............HE gave me dominion over them,... and they taste great !!!! I hope to slay a Monster Buck this week.

 

[THEOLDMAN]

Also to the OP question....of course Christ would approve ..he was a meat eater who hung out with fishermen !!! Gimme a break with the PETA attitude !

 

[THEOLDMAN]

I'll agree 100% with that... will you Webdog?
And I bet 100% of the hunters on this thread will agree too.

VERY good post... IF that would have been posted in the first page.. we would have not stumbled and fumbled around in this debate!...

Good job!... OK.. Can we bring out hunting puns now?

I agree ! I have eaten the following...so far: Chicken, Cow, Deer, Pronghorn Antelope, Moose, Elk, Alligator, Raccoon, Squirrel, Dove, Pigeon, Quail, Pheasant, Ostrich, Giraffe, Oyrx, Blackbuck, Springbuck,Mountain Lion, Zebra, Kudu, Bushbuck, Nyala, Possum, Buffalo, Bison, Rattlesnake, Blue Wildebeast, Black Wildebeast, Duiker, Reedbuck, Chukar, Hungarian Partridge, and Falcolin. My favorite was the Hartman's Mountain Zebra ...shot by my buddy Tony, in Namibia in 2006. I didn't kill'em all ...but I sure helped eat them !

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I agree ! I have eaten the following...so far: Chicken, Cow, Deer, Pronghorn Antelope, Moose, Elk, Alligator, Raccoon, Squirrel, Dove, Pigeon, Quail, Pheasant, Ostrich, Giraffe, Oyrx, Blackbuck, Springbuck,Mountain Lion, Zebra, Kudu, Bushbuck, Nyala, Possum, Buffalo, Bison, Rattlesnake, Blue Wildebeast, Black Wildebeast, Duiker, Reedbuck, Chukar, Hungarian Partridge, and Falcolin. My favorite was the Hartman's Mountain Zebra ...shot by my buddy Tony, in Namibia in 2006. I didn't kill'em all ...but I sure helped eat them !

Alligator is great, especially when made into a sausage. I used to have a neighbor who made alligator sausage and it was unbelievable. He still sends me some every now and then.

 

[Johnv]

Also to the OP question....of course Christ would approve ..he was a meat eater who hung out with fishermen !!!

Good point, but Jesus was also a wine consumer, and a few folks here who hunt would also say that drinking wine is wrong. There's nothing wrong with eating killed animal flesh, and there's nothing wrong with consuming wine. Just make sure if you consume white flesh, you do so with white wine. It's better on the pallette. :wavey:

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Good point, but Jesus was also a wine consumer, and a few folks here who hunt would also say that drinking wine is wrong. There's nothing wrong with eating killed animal flesh, and there's nothing wrong with consuming wine. Just make sure if you consume white flesh, you do so with white wine. It's better on the pallette. :wavey:

Actually, that's just a myth. John Cleese who, in addition to being a brilliant comedian, is also regarded as an expert on wine, did a series in which they disproved that.

The old rule was "white wine with white meat and fish/red wine with red meat". That's not true any more.