Ah, the wonderful world of unions...

[rbell]

...and the thuggery that always seems to follow them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...on-alleging-unlawful-thuggery/article1484049/

The United Steelworkers Local 6500 and many of its members have resorted to intimidation and violence against people who continue to work during the strike. They have posted pictures and personal information like addresses and phone numbers on the union website and Facebook page. The workers who have been singled out have had their property and homes vandalized, they've received threatening phone calls and been physically assaulted. Meanwhile on the picket line, roads leading to the plant have been littered with nail spikes and they have set large fires to prevent anyone from coming to work.

And yet we have people who want folks like this to have more power and influence? That's crazy talk.

There was a time when unions helped to prevent true workplace abuse, child labor, etc. Those times are over. Now, they exist to support class envy. Many unions see their purpose as promoting discontent and a covetous attitude among workers. And unfortunately, there are significant numbers that serve as fronts for unethical behavior and outright intimidation.

 

[billwald]

Life is much more peaceful when our owners are in control of their serfs. Nothing more peaceful than the serfs freezing to death. The only reason slavery didn't catch on in the New England state was that slaves were personal assets which had to be fed and sheltered in the harsh New England climate. It was more economical to hire poor whites when the mills had a contract and let them freeze when business was slow.

 

[Aaron]

There was a time when unions helped to prevent true workplace abuse, child labor, etc.

That's just the rhetoric. Labor unions have from their inception employed vandalism and terrorism in their coercions.

 

[matt wade]

Life is much more peaceful when our owners are in control of their serfs. Nothing more peaceful than the serfs freezing to death. The only reason slavery didn't catch on in the New England state was that slaves were personal assets which had to be fed and sheltered in the harsh New England climate. It was more economical to hire poor whites when the mills had a contract and let them freeze when business was slow.

If all these people were freezing to death how did the businesses operate for more than one year? By your logic a business would never last past the first winter since all the "help" would be dead.

 

[sag38]

It's one thing to protest by striking but quite another to threaten people, vandalize, commit assault, and intimidate others. There is no way that Bill can possibly justify this behavior so he resorts to infantile, off topic, comment that some how, in his mind, justify the thuggery of his precious union brothers and sisters.

 

[targus]

Life is much more peaceful when our owners are in control of their serfs. Nothing more peaceful than the serfs freezing to death. The only reason slavery didn't catch on in the New England state was that slaves were personal assets which had to be fed and sheltered in the harsh New England climate. It was more economical to hire poor whites when the mills had a contract and let them freeze when business was slow.

I guess that would make you an "owner" then since you will not be hiring union labor for your upcoming constrution plans.

I hope that the "serf" labor that you are hiring will be able to feed themselves on the pitiful non-union wages that you will be paying them. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[rbell]

Life is much more peaceful when our owners are in control of their serfs. Nothing more peaceful than the serfs freezing to death. The only reason slavery didn't catch on in the New England state was that slaves were personal assets which had to be fed and sheltered in the harsh New England climate. It was more economical to hire poor whites when the mills had a contract and let them freeze when business was slow.

Typical union apologist rant.

This does nothing to change the facts of the OP, and you know it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Read about the West Virginia coal mine wars.

Read about the robber barrons.

Read:

Labor in America: A History by Melvyn Dubofsky

Artisans into Workers: Labor in Nineteenth-Century America by Bruce Laurie

Labor's Story In The United States by Philip Nicholson

There is plenty of blame and trouble from both unions and companies.

 

[targus]

Read about the West Virginia coal mine wars.

Read about the robber barrons.

Read:

Labor in America: A History by Melvyn Dubofsky

Artisans into Workers: Labor in Nineteenth-Century America by Bruce Laurie

Labor's Story In The United States by Philip Nicholson

There is plenty of blame and trouble from both unions and companies.

That was then - this is now.

Circumstances and conditions change.

 

[sag38]

Yep, the roles have reversed. Now it's the unions who use intimidation, assult folks who cross picket lines, vandalize property, threaten families, etc. Crabby, like Bill, you have no leg to stand on in support of this type of thuggery.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I have never been a big defender of unions nor of corporate management. Both use intimidation tactics. There is no monopoly in this area.

Studies by economists such as Cornell University's Kate Bronfenbrenner indicate that employers routinely try to intimidate workers--and frequently violate the law--in the run-up to NLRB union elections. Bronfenbrenner's research found high levels of corporate interference and intimidation. In those weeks leading up to the election, employers often use the time to engage in coercive anti-union campaigning to influence workers not to vote for the union. During this period, workers face harassment, intimidation, and the risk of being fired simply for trying to exercise their right to organize.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cach...porate+intimidation&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[billwald]

?The United Steelworkers Local 6500 and many of its members have resorted to intimidation and violence against people who continue to work during the strike. They have posted pictures and personal information like addresses and phone numbers on the union website and Facebook page. The workers who have been singled out have had their property and homes vandalized, they've received threatening phone calls and been physically assaulted. Meanwhile on the picket line, roads leading to the plant have been littered with nail spikes and they have set large fires to prevent anyone from coming to work."

Assault and property damage is not excusable. I do not support the initiation of violence!

Posting accurate information is 100% legit. Republican patriots have evolved from"Give me liberty or give me death" to "Give me privacy or give me a passport."

 

[Revmitchell]

Yep, the roles have reversed. Now it's the unions who use intimidation, assult folks who cross picket lines, vandalize property, threaten families, etc. Crabby, like Bill, you have no leg to stand on in support of this type of thuggery.

And support he apparently does.

 

[rbell]

Assault and property damage is not excusable. I do not support the initiation of violence!

Good. Glad to hear it.

Posting accurate information is 100% legit. Republican patriots have evolved from"Give me liberty or give me death" to "Give me privacy or give me a passport."

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[targus]

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Nothing - merely stream of consciousness posting. :laugh:

 

[billwald]

Doesn't anyone on this list know how to read? You all stop learning in the 3rd grade?

 

[targus]

Posting accurate information is 100% legit. Republican patriots have evolved from"Give me liberty or give me death" to "Give me privacy or give me a passport."

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Doesn't anyone on this list know how to read? You all stop learning in the 3rd grade?

We can read alright.

It would be helpful though if you were to post something in at least the same time zone as the topic. :laugh:

You and Crabby are two of a kind. :laugh:

 

[rbell]

Doesn't anyone on this list know how to read? You all stop learning in the 3rd grade?

Not only did we continue to learn to read...we also continued to learn how to stay on topic. You should try it sometime. It's actually pretty fun.

 

[Eric B]

I don't know why it always comes down to trumping up all the evil of one side, as if that side therefore should not exist. The other side, therefore, is justified by default. That is what's Billwald's and crabtown's point.

Workers and managers are both humans, who are corrupted by the Fall, and want power by any means necessary; whether intimidation, pulling strings, gaining sympathy through victim rhetoric or whatever. I have come to call our human tendency "inertia". We want whatever we want, whenever we want it, and to not have to defer to someone else. (think objects floating through space, and the smaller ones being bumped aside by the more massive ones, which are harder to move off course). With money and power, you can maintain this inertia more, and everyone else has to bend.

I certainly don't like everything my union has done (including the transit strike; VERY unwise in the political climate of the day), and I think this one and my last one were full of corruption; and they do provoke covetousness, and even tell you how you should vote in city/state/national elections.
But I wouldn't want to be at the mercy of the agency without it. Both union and company consist of powerbases, where the leaders only care about position and rising to the top, and generally benefit, and the man on the bottom is just a pawn in that, who often struggles.
So the union is just a check and balance in the system.

 

[rbell]

Neal Boortz (SOURCE) quotes a study by Forbes.com:

Forbes.com has developed some information that you might find interesting. First of all, here's a list of the five states that are in the worst financial shape:

• Illinois
• New York,
• Connecticut
• California
• New Jersey

... and the list of the five states in the best condition financially:

• Utah
• Nebraska
• Texas
• New Hampshire
• Virginia

The five states in the worst financial condition are solidly Democrat. Of the three states in the best financial condition, three are solidly Republican; Utah, Nebraska and Texas. The other two lean very slightly Democrat.

The question, then, is why do heavily Democrat states seem to be in the poorest financial condition? According to Forbes, the problems in these Democrat-controlled states revolve around two facts ... stronger unions and more moochers.