Ah, the wonderful world of unions...

Life is much more peaceful when our owners are in control of their serfs. Nothing more peaceful than the serfs freezing to death. The only reason slavery didn't catch on in the New England state was that slaves were personal assets which had to be fed and sheltered in the harsh New England climate. It was more economical to hire poor whites when the mills had a contract and let them freeze when business was slow.

 

That's just the rhetoric. Labor unions have from their inception employed vandalism and terrorism in their coercions.

 

If all these people were freezing to death how did the businesses operate for more than one year? By your logic a business would never last past the first winter since all the "help" would be dead.

 

It's one thing to protest by striking but quite another to threaten people, vandalize, commit assault, and intimidate others. There is no way that Bill can possibly justify this behavior so he resorts to infantile, off topic, comment that some how, in his mind, justify the thuggery of his precious union brothers and sisters.

 

I guess that would make you an "owner" then since you will not be hiring union labor for your upcoming constrution plans.

I hope that the "serf" labor that you are hiring will be able to feed themselves on the pitiful non-union wages that you will be paying them. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Read about the West Virginia coal mine wars.

Read about the robber barrons.

Read:

Labor in America: A History by Melvyn Dubofsky

Artisans into Workers: Labor in Nineteenth-Century America by Bruce Laurie

Labor's Story In The United States by Philip Nicholson

There is plenty of blame and trouble from both unions and companies.

 

That was then - this is now.

Circumstances and conditions change.

 

Yep, the roles have reversed. Now it's the unions who use intimidation, assult folks who cross picket lines, vandalize property, threaten families, etc. Crabby, like Bill, you have no leg to stand on in support of this type of thuggery.

 

I have never been a big defender of unions nor of corporate management. Both use intimidation tactics. There is no monopoly in this area.

 

?The United Steelworkers Local 6500 and many of its members have resorted to intimidation and violence against people who continue to work during the strike. They have posted pictures and personal information like addresses and phone numbers on the union website and Facebook page. The workers who have been singled out have had their property and homes vandalized, they've received threatening phone calls and been physically assaulted. Meanwhile on the picket line, roads leading to the plant have been littered with nail spikes and they have set large fires to prevent anyone from coming to work."

Assault and property damage is not excusable. I do not support the initiation of violence!

Posting accurate information is 100% legit. Republican patriots have evolved from"Give me liberty or give me death" to "Give me privacy or give me a passport."

 

And support he apparently does.

 

Nothing - merely stream of consciousness posting. :laugh:

 

Doesn't anyone on this list know how to read? You all stop learning in the 3rd grade?

 

We can read alright.

It would be helpful though if you were to post something in at least the same time zone as the topic. :laugh:

You and Crabby are two of a kind. :laugh:

 

I don't know why it always comes down to trumping up all the evil of one side, as if that side therefore should not exist. The other side, therefore, is justified by default. That is what's Billwald's and crabtown's point.

Workers and managers are both humans, who are corrupted by the Fall, and want power by any means necessary; whether intimidation, pulling strings, gaining sympathy through victim rhetoric or whatever. I have come to call our human tendency "inertia". We want whatever we want, whenever we want it, and to not have to defer to someone else. (think objects floating through space, and the smaller ones being bumped aside by the more massive ones, which are harder to move off course). With money and power, you can maintain this inertia more, and everyone else has to bend.

I certainly don't like everything my union has done (including the transit strike; VERY unwise in the political climate of the day), and I think this one and my last one were full of corruption; and they do provoke covetousness, and even tell you how you should vote in city/state/national elections.
But I wouldn't want to be at the mercy of the agency without it. Both union and company consist of powerbases, where the leaders only care about position and rising to the top, and generally benefit, and the man on the bottom is just a pawn in that, who often struggles.
So the union is just a check and balance in the system.