Did Dinosaurs co exist with Man?

[quantumfaith]

Nope. It says "death." Death came into the world, not something else.

I guess Jesus didn't really "die" either.

strawman, and you know it.

 

[webdog]

Even if you allow for vegetation to be the source of oil you have to explain how decaying vegetation could form crude oil in less than 4,500 years. Care to take a shot at explaining that?

While you're at it, explain how coal and coral reef formations could have occurred in only 4,500 years.

It can be explained in the same way everything created came into existence in 6 days.

 

[InTheLight]

It can be explained in the same way everything created came into existence in 6 days.

So I guess you are saying that oil, coral reefs, and coal deposits were created in situ and not related to any natural process from the Flood. Is that correct?

 

[webdog]

I am being Christ like.

Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

Joh 2:15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.


I am also being Paul-Like...

Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Act 13:10 and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?

Proof-texting at it's worst. Besides the Peter account (which does not mean he was being harsh, you have to read that into it) Jesus and Paul were talking to unbelievers.

 

[quantumfaith]

So how did they determine the age?

If you are truly and honestly interested in learning and knowing the techniques used by science to date, you can explore this link. If you are simply trying to "poke" me, not interested. Not saying you have to agree with ANYTHING, just offering it to you.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/wiens.html

 

[webdog]

So I guess you are saying that oil, coral reefs, and coal deposits were created in situ and not related to any natural process from the Flood. Is that correct?

I cannot say one way or the other. We don't know the full affects of a global flood...but it is clear that God built age into His creation.

 

[Havensdad]

Even if you allow for vegetation to be the source of oil you have to explain how decaying vegetation could form crude oil in less than 4,500 years. Care to take a shot at explaining that?

While you're at it, explain how coal and coral reef formations could have occurred in only 4,500 years.

Uh, Oil can be formed in as little as 36 weeks. Even secular Geologists agree that it can be done in just a couple thousand years...

"Economic accumulations of oil and natural gas can be generated in thousands of years in sedimentary [dried out mud layers] basins that have experienced hot fluid flow for similar durations.”"

Journal of The Petroleum Exploration Society of Australia , No. 24, 1996, pp. 6-12

There is no scientific reason oil and coal cannot be formed quickly...and a WHOLE LOT of reasons why the present coal deposits around the world could not have taken "millions of years."

 

[Havensdad]

Proof-texting at it's worst. Besides the Peter account (which does not mean he was being harsh, you have to read that into it) Jesus and Paul were talking to unbelievers.

I disagree with your grouping methods. Jesus spoke to unbelievers, honest ones, gently. These were Pharisees, people who CLAIMED to follow the same religion as Jesus...yet they were in actuality false teachers.

The harshness is for false teachers...which is what Old Earth Teachers are.

 

[Havensdad]

strawman, and you know it.

Not at all. Your counter is a strawman, that is just muddying the waters, as false teachings always do. Take God at His Word.

 

[revmwc]

If you are truly and honestly interested in learning and knowing the techniques used by science to date, you can explore this link. If you are simply trying to "poke" me, not interested. Not saying you have to agree with ANYTHING, just offering it to you.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/wiens.html

I was wondering how they determine dates for anything past recorded history. If we begin to base our theology on what the world does then our theology becomes as flawed as their teaching. WE know from calenders and records that the earth is around 6000 years old, but how can we develop a true date with human thought process and know we are acurate.

 

[MB]

You'd have to include all animals and humans together and we still haven't used it all up. We've been using fossil fules for over a couple centuries. first it was coal and for the last 100 years or so, it's been more oil than anything else.
LOL Here I am a man who isn't able to understand infinity and I'm trying to figure out how much oil we've already burned.
MB

 

[webdog]

I disagree with your grouping methods. Jesus spoke to unbelievers, honest ones, gently. These were Pharisees, people who CLAIMED to follow the same religion as Jesus...yet they were in actuality false teachers.

The harshness is for false teachers...which is what Old Earth Teachers are.

A false teacher is an unbeliever. Are you calling out the salvation of those on this thread? You are aware of the posting rules?

 

[Havensdad]

A false teacher is an unbeliever. Are you calling out the salvation of those on this thread? You are aware of the posting rules?

No, a false teacher is not an unbeliever. A false teacher is someone who is teaching something opposed to clear Christian doctrine, as found in the Word of God, be they believer or no.

How dishonest of you to put words in my mouth.

 

[quantumfaith]

I was wondering how they determine dates for anything past recorded history. If we begin to base our theology on what the world does then our theology becomes as flawed as their teaching. WE know from calenders and records that the earth is around 6000 years old, but how can we develop a true date with human thought process and know we are acurate.

1. I am not basing my "theology" on science.
2. No one that I know of in science as it pertains to dating the universe/earth etc. makes the claim of precision that I perceive you are hinting at.
3. How do you know the calendars are correct? (just responding to you as you do to me)

Rev, I am not asking you to adopt any of thoughts, theories, interpretations that I believe, but I do ask, as I feel you have so far, deal with me with dignity and respect.

 

[quantumfaith]

A false teacher is an unbeliever. Are you calling out the salvation of those on this thread? You are aware of the posting rules?

Thank you WD, even though you and I too disagree on issues related to the creation events, we can agree to disagree cordially. I think you are correct, I do think that Havensdad is attempting to question my position as a believer in Christ. Even Augustine, the grandfather of reformational thought and theology in many respects had deep questions regarding the meaning of and how the early chapters of Genesis should be read.

 

[quantumfaith]

1 Peter 3:15 ESV

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

 

[revmwc]

1. I am not basing my "theology" on science.
2. No one that I know of in science as it pertains to dating the universe/earth etc. makes the claim of precision that I perceive you are hinting at.
3. How do you know the calendars are correct? (just responding to you as you do to me)

Rev, I am not asking you to adopt any of thoughts, theories, interpretations that I believe, but I do ask, as I feel you have so far, deal with me with dignity and respect.

1. Then what do you base the age on it isn't scripture because we have no dates like that in scripture.

2. But to teach evolution and ages in science course in schools as fact is making that claim.

3. The Jewish Calender has us at 5771 and as you see I say approximately 6000 years because even the Jewish calender could be off several years but not billions of years.

 

[quantumfaith]

1. Then what do you base the age on it isn't scripture because we have no dates like that in scripture.

2. But to teach evolution and ages in science course in schools as fact is making that claim.

3. The Jewish Calender has us at 5771 and as you see I say approximately 6000 years because even the Jewish calender could be off several years but not billions of years.

Rev,

There is practically an infinite storehouse of knowledge that the scriptural record spends no time explaining or elaborating on, does that mean it is not true, accurate or real? The revelation of scripture is intended to explain in essence the actions of God relative to mankind and why redemption is necessary and the how of that redemption.

I dont teach science, I teach mathematics. If I did teach science I would introduce evolution and such as it should be, a theory. Also, don't confuse "evolution" with naturalism. Naturalism certainly upholds evolutionary theory, however, it totally denies the existence or even the need for a creator (God).

 

[Havensdad]

Thank you WD, even though you and I too disagree on issues related to the creation events, we can agree to disagree cordially. I think you are correct, I do think that Havensdad is attempting to question my position as a believer in Christ. Even Augustine, the grandfather of reformational thought and theology in many respects had deep questions regarding the meaning of and how the early chapters of Genesis should be read.

...and very dishonest of you to re-post it.

Also, the board forbids calling someone an unbeliever...since when did the rules get changed to disallow doctrinal positions that exclude certain beliefs? If someone calls themselves a Baptist, but has Jehovah's Witness doctrine, am I then required to refrain from asserting the necessity of Christ's deity?

 

[JesusFan]

...and very dishonest of you to re-post it.

Also, the board forbids calling someone an unbeliever...since when did the rules get changed to disallow doctrinal positions that exclude certain beliefs? If someone calls themselves a Baptist, but has Jehovah's Witness doctrine, am I then required to refrain from asserting the necessity of Christ's deity?

My understanding on this is that the doctrines being addressed MUST be cardinal truths, that there is no dispute over...

far as I know, evolution, especially Theistic, does not rise to heresy in beliefs, not Biblical per say, not heretical!