Here is a true Presidents response to Russia shooting down a plane

[Revmitchell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA4W1wDMAk

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner (KAL 007) on September 5, 1983.

 

[righteousdude2]

Well ....

..... Reagan showed not all those in the WH could do the job as well as others.

Suddenly the manner in which Bush handled the Twin Towers attack [sitting quietly and finishing his task with the children, showing no panic to scare the children he was with in the classroom] was not that bad a thing?

Obama continues to have one public failure after another as of late, and the devil is in the details and his fans are getting the jolt of reality they never thought he'd be capable of doing! :type:

 

[Gina B]

I felt so embarrassed by his lack of response. How do we get out to the world that the man does NOT represent us, that we DO care and grieve what is happened?

 

[righteousdude2]

Especially,

I felt so embarrassed by his lack of response. How do we get out to the world that the man does NOT represent us, that we DO care and grieve what is happened?

When the media is not doing its job and properly reporting what is going on with this guy!

I do not want to be seen as denigrating the command in chief, but he has become the sorriest excuse for a leader ever, and for the Congress to say, they have NO-good reasons to impeach him, is just as bad at representing the people, as he is!

As for as I am concerned, Gina, the entire group in DC is not properly representing this country nor are they living up to the sworn oath they took to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic!

The foreign invasion of illegals, is a crime; and the fact that our vets are not cared for in a manner accorded to those who cross the border illegally, or the use of the power of the IRS to harass and delay tax exemption status to groups like the Tea Party and other conservative groups is an enemy of domestic proportions and both failures should require actions, but in fact, won't happen any more than Obama providing a proper response of compassion and personal concern over the loss of life with an airplane filled with innocent civilains. What a sad day for America, and any of our allies around the world!

America has clearly disappeared from the status it once held! :type:

 

[asterisktom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA4W1wDMAk

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner (KAL 007) on September 5, 1983.

What makes you think the Russians shot down that plane? Have you even considered other options?

As usual with most current events, there is a story behind the story. Watchers of Fox News and MSNBC are most prone to automatically demonize the nasty Russians. But you might consider other sources and possibilities:

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/17/the-human-price-of-neocon-havoc/
http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

Yes, that last one is Russia Today's take on the recent incident. I believe their version of these events stacks up better than the usual media lock-step coverage in the West, pretty much all singing from the same page.

This is from Consortiumnews:
"It was not immediately clear which side in the fighting – if any – was responsible for the suspected shoot-down of the plane. The various parties to the conflict all denied responsibility. But it would not be the first time that an international conflict has contributed to the destruction of a civilian airliner
....
But the overriding lesson from these tragedies should be that the real villains are people who opt for chaos and war over progress and peace. And, in the case of the Middle East and Ukraine, the greatest purveyors of this unnecessary warfare are America’s neocons."


A great driving force behind America today is the neo-con agenda, fueled by an unshakeable belief in their own exceptionalism (to the detriment of other peoples).

Maslov said "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
America has, by far, the greatest preponderance of military hardware. And everything else looks like an enemy - and a possible target.

President Reagan, the man you admire, Rev, is a perfect personification of that mindset, even joking about bombing Russia in five minutes.

What an embarrassment that such an attitude is held up by Christians as commendable instead of this man after God's own heart:

"Woe to me, that I sojourn in Meshech,
that I dwell among the tents of Kedar!

Too long have I had my dwelling
among those who hate peace.

I am for peace,
but when I speak, they are for war!" - Psalm 120:5-7

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What makes you think the Russians shot down that plane? Have you even considered other options?

You apparently like liberal apologists who want to paint the failures of the U.S. administration in the best light. There are only two possibilites: The separatists, trained by Russian Spetsnaz on the use of the SA-11 or -20 system (whichever is found to have been used), fired on the aircraft thinking it was a Ukrainian cargo plane. Intercepted telephone calls between separatist commanders and a cell known to be operating in eastern Ukraine tend to prove this as the most likely scenario.

Otherwise, Russians fired the missile themselves. That is unlikely, as that would be discovered later by U.S. analysts with NATO backtracking radar, satellite, and computer data to pinpoint, within a few yards, the fire-point of the missile. It is likely the so-called "separatist commanders" are actually Russian Spetsnaz regardless, but it is doubtful they are dirtying their hands with actual fighting, instead choosing to direct the fighting of ex-Ukrainian military who are Russian sympathizers.

I won't deal with the rest of your post, it being only suitable to line the bottom of my neighbor's bird cage.

 

[asterisktom]

I have no idea what you mean by your first sentence. You obviously don't know me.

And then you said...

There are only two possibilites:

It goes downhill from here. Only two?

Keep watching Fox News.

I won't deal with the rest of your post, it being only suitable to line the bottom of my neighbor's bird cage.

The rest of my post quoted sources and a passage of Scripture. With which of these did you line your birdcage?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It goes downhill from here. Only two?

Keep watching Fox News.

I will, thank you, because inside the U.S., it is the only network reporting this:

Fox News: Intercepted calls point finger at Russian separatists in jet downinghttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...calls-point-finger-in-jet-downing-at-russian/http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...calls-point-finger-in-jet-downing-at-russian/

Intercepted phone calls purportedly between Russian military intelligence officers [emphasis added] and members of a pro-Russian separatist group that appear to capture the moment the rebels realized the plane they shot down was a civilian passenger plane could be the smoking gun that helps prove Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was downed Ukraine by the insurgents.

The tapes were released by SBU, Ukraine's security agency, and transcript was published in the Kiev Post. It appears to capture the chaotic moments after the plane was shot down — and the realization that it was a passenger plane rather than a Ukrainian transport plane, which had been targeted in recent days by the Russia-backed separatists.

"We have just shot down a plane," says a man the SBU identified as Igor Bezler, a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

That call came just 20 minutes after the crash and was placed to a person identified by Ukraine’s SBU as a colonel in the main intelligence department of the general headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation Vasili Geranin, according to Ukraine security officials.

The rest of my post quoted sources and a passage of Scripture. With which of these did you line your birdcage?

One, I don't have a bird. My neighbor's birdcage. Just for accuracy's sake, though I doubt you care about accuracy given your use of the "media" you cited in the other post.

Two, your use of that particular Scripture is woefully misapplied and you don't even apparently realize it. David complains of attempting to live in peace among those who wish to make war. The irony of your use of that particular Scripture is that it is actually an indictment of the war-making propensities of those people who became Russians (Meshech), and the descendants of Ishmael (Kedar), whose posterity eventually gave birth to Mohammed and Islam.

So not only do you fail to make your point about Reagan, you actually make that same point about the peoples responsible for the chaos and confusion of war in the world yesterday, the very people you attempted to leave blameless. Epic fail. Truly epic, in fact.

 

[ShagNappy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA4W1wDMAk

President Reagan's Address to the Nation on the Soviet Attack on a Korean Airliner (KAL 007) on September 5, 1983.

The plane was shot down on September 1. This speech was 4 days after. While Obama was insensitive going into his speech and telling jokes, using this as a point of reference is disingenuous at best. Let see what O's speech writers can come up with over the next couple days before you start comparing his speech with to the hallowed words of Ronaldus Maximus. Actually, lets just not sully Reagan's name by comparing O to him at all.

Had a family friend on that plane. It still infuriates me what they did, and nothing was every really done about it.

 

[InTheLight]

The plane was shot down on September 1. This speech was 4 days after. While Obama was insensitive going into his speech and telling jokes, using this as a point of reference is disingenuous at best. Let see what O's speech writers can come up with over the next couple days before you start comparing his speech with to the hallowed words of Ronaldus Maximus. Actually, lets just not sully Reagan's name by comparing O to him at all.

Beat me to it. Obama needs to address this tragedy more fully. If he doesn't say or do something by tonight, he deserves tons of criticism. Yes, tonight, because by Saturday the weekly news cycle is winding down, people are heading into the weekend and aren't paying much attention to the news.

He still deserves criticism for his flippant handling of the tragedy. He could have canceled the fund raiser or at least had a more solemn air about him as he carried it out.

Had a family friend on that plane. It still infuriates me what they did, and nothing was every really done about it.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure the pain never goes away.

 

[Revmitchell]

The plane was shot down on September 1. This speech was 4 days after. While Obama was insensitive going into his speech and telling jokes

That is is. Nothing more needs to be said.

 

[Revmitchell]

What makes you think the Russians shot down that plane? Have you even considered other options?

As usual with most current events, there is a story behind the story. Watchers of Fox News and MSNBC are most prone to automatically demonize the nasty Russians. But you might consider other sources and possibilities:

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/17/the-human-price-of-neocon-havoc/
http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

Yes, that last one is Russia Today's take on the recent incident. I believe their version of these events stacks up better than the usual media lock-step coverage in the West, pretty much all singing from the same page.

This is from Consortiumnews:
"It was not immediately clear which side in the fighting – if any – was responsible for the suspected shoot-down of the plane. The various parties to the conflict all denied responsibility. But it would not be the first time that an international conflict has contributed to the destruction of a civilian airliner
....
But the overriding lesson from these tragedies should be that the real villains are people who opt for chaos and war over progress and peace. And, in the case of the Middle East and Ukraine, the greatest purveyors of this unnecessary warfare are America’s neocons."


A great driving force behind America today is the neo-con agenda, fueled by an unshakeable belief in their own exceptionalism (to the detriment of other peoples).

Maslov said "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
America has, by far, the greatest preponderance of military hardware. And everything else looks like an enemy - and a possible target.

President Reagan, the man you admire, Rev, is a perfect personification of that mindset, even joking about bombing Russia in five minutes.

What an embarrassment that such an attitude is held up by Christians as commendable instead of this man after God's own heart:

"Woe to me, that I sojourn in Meshech,
that I dwell among the tents of Kedar!

Too long have I had my dwelling
among those who hate peace.

I am for peace,
but when I speak, they are for war!" - Psalm 120:5-7

Yea, Russia lied about when Reagan was in office as well.

 

[poncho]

What makes you think the Russians shot down that plane? Have you even considered other options?

As usual with most current events, there is a story behind the story. Watchers of Fox News and MSNBC are most prone to automatically demonize the nasty Russians. But you might consider other sources and possibilities:

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/17/the-human-price-of-neocon-havoc/
http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/

Yes, that last one is Russia Today's take on the recent incident. I believe their version of these events stacks up better than the usual media lock-step coverage in the West, pretty much all singing from the same page.

This is from Consortiumnews:
"It was not immediately clear which side in the fighting – if any – was responsible for the suspected shoot-down of the plane. The various parties to the conflict all denied responsibility. But it would not be the first time that an international conflict has contributed to the destruction of a civilian airliner
....
But the overriding lesson from these tragedies should be that the real villains are people who opt for chaos and war over progress and peace. And, in the case of the Middle East and Ukraine, the greatest purveyors of this unnecessary warfare are America’s neocons."


A great driving force behind America today is the neo-con agenda, fueled by an unshakeable belief in their own exceptionalism (to the detriment of other peoples).

Maslov said "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
America has, by far, the greatest preponderance of military hardware. And everything else looks like an enemy - and a possible target.

President Reagan, the man you admire, Rev, is a perfect personification of that mindset, even joking about bombing Russia in five minutes.

What an embarrassment that such an attitude is held up by Christians as commendable instead of this man after God's own heart:

"Woe to me, that I sojourn in Meshech,
that I dwell among the tents of Kedar!

Too long have I had my dwelling
among those who hate peace.

I am for peace,
but when I speak, they are for war!" - Psalm 120:5-7

I asked pretty much the same thing when the story was "Russia invaded Ukraine!" Russia invaded Ukraine!" "Russia invaded Ukraine!".

I said "show me the proof".

Here's the response. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92615&highlight=russia+invaded+ukraine

Good luck trying to convince the resident neocons to think for themselves instead of reacting to what the corrupt politicians in Washington and the subservient corporate talking heads claim . . . with no proof and long before any actual "investigation" takes place.

It's not something that comes natural to neocons anymore.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I asked pretty much the same thing when the story was "Russia invaded Ukraine!" Russia invaded Ukraine!" "Russia invaded Ukraine!".

I said "show me the proof".

And we said, "The Russian Spetsnaz is in Ukraine," but apparently if it isn't on "InfoWars," it isn't a valid report.

Then Russia annexed Ukraine and you were silent. Not only silent, you didn't show up on this board for a week. And now you show up to tout your previous nonsense when another clueless someone shows up to mindlessly repeat the same drivel -- but has now also disappeared, ignoring the slam-dunk debunking of his post.Spare me your whine. You're both as clueless as Obama. Go start a club and stop infecting this board with your fabrications and fantasies.

 

[Zaac]

And we said, "The Russian Spetsnaz is in Ukraine," but apparently if it isn't on "InfoWars," it isn't a valid report.

I wonder why eyes don't get rolled when CTB posts as a source and it gets dismissed as being liberal and "Nothing they put out can be trusted"?

Then Russia annexed Ukraine and you were silent. Not only silent, you didn't show up on this board for a week. And now you show up to tout your previous nonsense when another clueless someone shows up to mindlessly repeat the same drivel -- but has now also disappeared, ignoring the slam-dunk debunking of his post.Spare me your whine. You're as clueless as Obama.

Yep. All about the politics and it doesn't matter how you speak to anyone if their POV doesn't support your own.

Seems to be par for the course from the growing number of loving Christians on this board.

And does referring to the President as clueless equate to respecting and honoring?

 

[Zaac]

The plane was shot down on September 1. This speech was 4 days after. While Obama was insensitive going into his speech and telling jokes, using this as a point of reference is disingenuous at best. Let see what O's speech writers can come up with over the next couple days before you start comparing his speech with to the hallowed words of Ronaldus Maximus. Actually, lets just not sully Reagan's name by comparing O to him at all.

Had a family friend on that plane. It still infuriates me what they did, and nothing was every really done about it.

You highlight again why some folks need to let their anger go about politics. Anger breeds all sorts of sin and paints a picture that looks nothing like Christ.

Angry people are now looking for things to get others as angry as they are.

 

[Salty]

, you didn't show up on this board for a week. And now you show up to tout your previous nonsense when another clueless someone shows up to mindlessly repeat the same drivel -- but has now also disappeared, ignoring the slam-dunk debunking of his post.Spare me your whine. You're both as clueless as Obama. Go start a club and stop infecting this board with your fabrications and fantasies.

My concern with the post that Ponch makes is that without exception every one in the political or news section.
Granted, we need to have an understanding about our world as well as our country. However, I believe it is more important to be spreading the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ -than the gospel of the United States constitution.

Ponch is very secretive about his life - Hmm wonder why.
Check his profile out

Bio - Average Global Citizen
From his post, how could he consider himself average

Home church A/A Baptist- The only thing I can figure is it means Alcoholic Anonymous Baptist Church.

For the time being - ie until I see some spirituality in Ponch, I view his posts for my daily comic relief.

 

[Judith]

While I am of the opinion that this President is not only the worst President in all of history he is also the most lawless and very anti-American. And while I have little respect or use for him and he is to be blamed for much this is not his fault.
Yet I know many will blame him in some fashion for this, even though this is not his fault. This is the fault of Malaysia Airlines for flying over a known war zone as well as the party that shot it down. The airlines needs to be held to the greatest responsibility both criminally and monetarily.

 

[poncho]

My concern with the post that Ponch makes is that without exception every one in the political or news section.
Granted, we need to have an understanding about our world as well as our country. However, I believe it is more important to be spreading the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ -than the gospel of the United States constitution.

Ponch is very secretive about his life - Hmm wonder why.
Check his profile out

Bio - Average Global Citizen
From his post, how could he consider himself average

Home church A/A Baptist- The only thing I can figure is it means Alcoholic Anonymous Baptist Church.

For the time being - ie until I see some spirituality in Ponch, I view his posts for my daily comic relief.

In other words . . . pay no mind to the evidence or the lack there of as the case may be, focus on Poncho instead.

Salty is always trying to shift the focus away from the evidence or lack of and put it on me. Hmmm, wonder why?

 

[Zaac]

While I am of the opinion that this President is not only the worst President in all of history he is also the most lawless and very anti-American. And while I have little respect or use for him and he is to be blamed for much this is not his fault.

That IS NOT a stance God's people should hold for the ones HE has placed in authority over us.

Yet I know many will blame him in some fashion for this, even though this is not his fault. This is the fault of Malaysia Airlines for flying over a known war zone as well as the party that shot it down. The airlines needs to be held to the greatest responsibility both criminally and monetarily.

It doesn't matter with some who did what. They are angry and the bellyaching is about their anger, not about righteousness.