The facts shoot holes in Obama's claim that US is only host to mass killings

[Revmitchell]

On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. "I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.

Talk about being self-absorbed.

The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket.

In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the U.S. has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.

Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.

Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

There are two other studies on these questions that have gotten a fair amount of attention.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015...-only-host-to-mass-killings.html?intcmp=hpbt3

 

[carpro]

Of course , he's lying. What else is new?

"In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates."

 

[Zaac]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015...-only-host-to-mass-killings.html?intcmp=hpbt3

What is it with FOX News and telling lies that y'all turn around and repeat? As I showed the last time you tried to push this SAME lie, the President's quote when he first said it was:

Here’s the actual quote:

“Now is the time for mourning and healing, but let’s be clear. At some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence doesn’t happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this type of frequency.”

So why would anyone think he was talking about anything different this time other than the ones of you who keep trying to push this lie?

Shameful!!!

 

[Zaac]

Of course , he's lying. What else is new?

"In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates."

I believe frequency is a measure in accordance to TIME.

.09 attacks per million people IS NOT a measure of frequency.

So I don't believe this shows that the President's comment is untrue.

 

[carpro]

I believe frequency is a measure in accordance to TIME.

.09 attacks per million people IS NOT a measure of frequency.

So I don't believe this shows that the President's comment is untrue.

I believe it does. You are misinterpreting the stats,

Either way, It's still a le. It does, in fact occur in other countries.

 

[Zaac]

I believe it does. You are misinterpreting the stats,

Either way, It's still a le. It does, in fact occur in other countries.

That's not the previous statement that he was referencing. He said "He says this everytime we have one of these shootings."

And what he has said in the past is what was quoted, not what the Fox News piece is trying to make it look like he's said.

They really are getting to be pretty disgusting.

 

[Use of Time]

Omitting text and the full quote which provides context is a pretty nasty journalism tactic.

 

[carpro]

Omitting text and the full quote which provides context is a pretty nasty journalism tactic.

Truncating his own quote from months ago can be laid at the feet of the speaker.

"With respect to Planned Parenthood, obviously, my heart goes out to those families impacted. I mean, I say this every time we go one of these mass shootings, this just doesn't happen in other countries," President Obama said.

Perhaps you should read a little more carefully.

Your hero, the zero, was in such a big hurry to lie that he stated the big lie and left off the little lie from his statement from months ago.

 

[Zaac]

Or it may be that when he said "I say this everytime", he was referencing what he originally said.

I think the people who weren't looking for another "gotcha" moment. knew what he was referencing.

I'm starting to think folks were right about Fox News being Faux News. They certainly haven't been fair and balanced in a long time.

But I guess they are doing as a company what DT is doing as a Presidential candidate.

 

[carpro]

Or it may be that when he said "I say this everytime", he was referencing what he originally said.

I think the people who weren't looking for another "gotcha" moment. knew what he was referencing.

I'm starting to think folks were right about Fox News being Faux News. They certainly haven't been fair and balanced in a long time.

But I guess they are doing as a company what DT is doing as a Presidential candidate.

The quote is correct. He was speaking to the French. They thought he was an idiot and a liar and have no idea of his earlier statement.

Either point out the error in their reporting or go grind that axe somewhere else. Try to stay on point. So far, you've tried to defend the wrong quote and attacked the source without refuting anything they reported.. Do you have anything at all to contribute to the subject actually posted?

 

[Zaac]

The quote is correct. He was speaking to the French. They thought he was an idiot and a liar and have no idea of his earlier statement.

I didn't say your quote was incorrect. I said he was clearly referencing his ORIGINAL quote when he was speaking after what happened in Charleston.

Either point out the error in their reporting or go grind that axe somewhere else.

I already pointed out the error in their reporting. It was a deliberate attempt to obfuscate, manipulate and mislead. And if what they PLAINLY did is okay with you, then you have as much of a character problem as they do.

Try to stay on point. So far, you've tried to defend the wrong quote and attacked the source without refuting anything they reported.

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You need to try to read a little bit better. I didn't try to defend the wrong quote. I made it clear that Fox News and you and mitchell are well aware of what the original full quote was. And ya'll are just trying to have a gotcha moment by deliberately leaving out the context of his comment.

If he says, "I say this everytime" and you've heard him make that comment before, you know immediately what he's talking about. And as we corrected the same naysayers the last time this quote was misused, you're well aware of what he was referencing.

Do you have anything at all to contribute to the subject actually posted?

None other than the fact that you will boldly lie and go along with manipulation to try to make that man look bad. You got issues.Thumbsup

 

[InTheLight]

Mass shootings, 2000-2014, by country:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

 

[carpro]

Mass shootings, 2000-2014, by country:View attachment 174

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

Thank you. Although further proof that Obama is a liar was not really needed.

 

[InTheLight]

Thank you. Although further proof that Obama is a liar was not really needed.

Chart clearly shows that mass shooting don't happen with the same frequency in other countries as they do in the US. So what's the lie?

 

[carpro]

"With respect to Planned Parenthood, obviously, my heart goes out to those families impacted. I mean, I say this every time we go one of these mass shootings, this just doesn't happen in other countries," President Obama said.

Your chart clearly shows he's a liar.

 

[InTheLight]

"With respect to Planned Parenthood, obviously, my heart goes out to those families impacted. I mean, I say this every time we go one of these mass shootings, this just doesn't happen in other countries," President Obama said.

Your chart clearly shows he's a liar.

It doesn’t happen in other places with this type of frequency”,

Statement is clearly backed up by the chart.

 

[Revmitchell]

Chart clearly shows that mass shooting don't happen with the same frequency in other countries as they do in the US. So what's the lie?

This is Obama's quote from your source of all places:

In his June 18, 2015, remarks from the White House, Obama said, "Now is the time for mourning and for healing. But let’s be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it."

And here is your sources determination of his claim:

Obama said after the church shootings in Charleston that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

The data shows that it clearly happens in other countries, and in at least three of them, there’s evidence that the rate of killings in mass-shooting events occurred at a higher per-capita rate than in the United States between 2000 and 2014.

 

[Revmitchell]

It doesn’t happen in other places with this type of frequency”,

Statement is clearly backed up by the chart.

Good grief not its not.

 

[carpro]

It doesn’t happen in other places with this type of frequency”,

Statement is clearly backed up by the chart.

Try to catch up. Rolleyes

 

[InTheLight]

Good grief not its not.

You do not understand the difference between per capita and frequency. I get it.