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Wheaton? What happened?

DHK

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Illinois professor suspended for saying Muslims, Christians worship same God
A tenured political science professor at Wheaton College, an evangelical university outside Chicago, has been suspended after she wrote in a Facebook post that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Dr. Larycia Hawkins wrote on the social media site on Dec. 10 that she was donning the hijab head scarf during the period of advent before Christmas as a sign of solidarity with Muslims. In her post she said "we worship the same God."

After that statement drew criticism, the school said Hawkins was on administrative leave.
There is more here:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/il...-god/ar-BBnDofa?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignoutmd
 

preachinjesus

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A rogue political science professor tries to make a bad theological point and ends up getting suspended.

I am a bit surprised the Wheaton suspended her, they've usually not gone that route. Because she is tenured they have a more significant issue if they try to remove her. That is one of the bad sides of tenure. (I still think tenure is a good thing, just not for professors under 55)

The media, of course, is not handling this with any amount of nuance or respect for the institution.
 

Rob_BW

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Wheaton abandoned the Abraham story in the Bible and fell before the thrown of current xenophobic popular culture.

Can I can throw up an Asherah pole and still be considered a Christian. Can I believe in the Demiurge and still be a Christian? Can I make the hajj, run seven times around the kaaba, and consider that engaging in Christian worship?

At some point, orthodoxy matters.
 

Jerome

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Professor Hawkins is one of the featured writers over at the Reformed Blacks of America blog:

Reformed Blacks of America - Writings and Audio

"Reformed Blacks of America, Inc. (RBA) is a center that seeks to build and maintain an infrastructure and network among African-Americans in a Reformed theological context for indigenous leadership, church growth and theological research for today's world."
 

Jerome

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It's Not Just a Scarf! protests Todd Pruitt over at the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals blog:

"I do quibble with one point in the statement from Wheaton. They make it clear that the disciplinary action has nothing to do with Hawkins wearing a hijab."

"My point, is that there is in fact a problem with a Christian wearing a hijab precisely because it is an act of Muslim religious devotion. It is not just a scarf any more than Yoga is simply stretching..."
 

DHK

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The article, from a secular media, defined Wheaton as evangelical. When an "evangelical" leader tells the world that Christians and Muslims serve the same god they are not telling the truth, but rather a lie. Both Muslims and Christians know this. Ask Donald Trump, he will tell you. :)
Islam wants control of this world and every knee to bow to Allah. To say that we are one with Islam or worship the same god as Islam is diametrically opposed to everything Christianity stands for. Christ said: "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me." Was he lying?
The person ought to be fired, permanently.
 

Crabtownboy

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What God talked with Hagar and made her a promise concerning her son, i.e. Abraham's first born son?

Do you know what God's promise to her was?

 

OnlyaSinner

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Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all look to Abraham as a pivotal figure in their histories. Only one of the three call Christ the Son of God. John 14:6, posted above, cannot be true if Christians and Muslims "worship the same god." Neither can Acts 4:12.
 

Revmitchell

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Muslims worship another God, believe in another Jesus, hold another gospel, and believe the lie of Satan. There religion is false and therefore inferior. It should have no place in serious talks about the one true and living God. Extreme far left liberals who do not understand this do not know the bible, God or both. If they have another gospel than the one taught in scripture then they have another god. That is not xenophobia that is the gospel truth. Don't like it, too bad.
 
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Crabtownboy

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In cold weather I've seen lots of women, both here and in Europe, wearing pashminas up over their head that look like the one the professor wore. Normally a pashmina is not wore over the head ... but when it is cold and the wind is blowing it is a different matter. Seems an over reaction by the fundamentalist police and an unthinking administration.
 

DHK

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In cold weather I've seen lots of women, both here and in Europe, wearing pashminas up over their head that look like the one the professor wore. Normally a pashmina is not wore over the head ... but when it is cold and the wind is blowing it is a different matter. Seems an over reaction by the fundamentalist police and an unthinking administration.
And a veil is just a veil (1Cor.11:2ff)
That is not the point.
Here is the "objectionable conduct":
On her Facebook page on Dec. 10, Hawkins said she would wear the hijab in solidarity with Muslim neighbors. "I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book."

Hawkins, who has written on race, religion and American politics, said she had consulted with the local chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations, an advocacy group, to make sure that it would not be seen as offensive for a non-Muslim woman to wear the headscarf.
1. Identifying the "hijab" specifically as Muslim apparel and then identifying herself with it.
2. Identifying herself as a Christian and then equating her religion on the same basis as Islam (blasphemy)
3. My wife wears head-scarfs all the time. So do the Christians and the Jews of Eastern nations. But they do not wear them in the same way that the Muslim women do, and "in solidarity with Muslims."
 

Squire Robertsson

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CBT, Wheaton to the best of my knowledge has never been a "Fundamentalist" school, at least in the post 1948 usage of the word. Conservative Evangelical at best but Fundamentalist, naah.
In cold weather I've seen lots of women, both here and in Europe, wearing pashminas up over their head that look like the one the professor wore. Normally a pashmina is not wore over the head ... but when it is cold and the wind is blowing it is a different matter. Seems an over reaction by the fundamentalist police and an unthinking administration.
 

Crabtownboy

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CBT, Wheaton to the best of my knowledge has never been a "Fundamentalist" school, at least in the post 1948 usage of the word. Conservative Evangelical at best but Fundamentalist, naah.

I guess it depends on a person's point of view. Some view them as fundamental, some as conservative and some a I read a book years ago where the author, after finishing a 2 year degree at a very fundamentalists school, told his professors he was going to finish at Wheaton. He was told, Wheaton is so liberal, everyone there is going to hell.

I've met a number of Wheaton graduates and I'd say they were all fundamental ... as well as conservative. ess it depends on your point of view.
 

annsni

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In cold weather I've seen lots of women, both here and in Europe, wearing pashminas up over their head that look like the one the professor wore. Normally a pashmina is not wore over the head ... but when it is cold and the wind is blowing it is a different matter. Seems an over reaction by the fundamentalist police and an unthinking administration.

It was not the head covering that caused the issue (although I do believe in a Christian school, that would definitely be a reason to seriously counsel the person) but the fact that she said that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. That is so fundamentally wrong that they HAD to act.
 

Jerome

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Yes, they HAD to. Meanwhile, over at the 'Gospel Coalition' Calvinist fraternity:

http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...ms-for-christ-a-conversation-with-j-d-greear/

Trevin Wax: "You make the case that Muslims do worship the same God as Christians, although with obvious errors in understanding. Can you elaborate..."

J.D. Greear: "...They understand [Allah] to be the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus. That’s a good place to start. Then you can say, 'This God you worship, here is what He is really like, according to the revelation.'"
 

annsni

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Yes, they HAD to. Meanwhile, over at the 'Gospel Coalition' Calvinist fraternity:

http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org...ms-for-christ-a-conversation-with-j-d-greear/

Trevin Wax: "You make the case that Muslims do worship the same God as Christians, although with obvious errors in understanding. Can you elaborate..."

J.D. Greear: "...They understand [Allah] to be the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus. That’s a good place to start. Then you can say, 'This God you worship, here is what He is really like, according to the revelation.'"

Reading his whole discussion on that question really gives more light to the situation. I don't think he feels that Allah is the God that we worship but it's a starting point to speak to Muslims.

J.D. Greear: This is a tough question that has a considerable amount of complexity to it. But at the end of the day, I think the question of whether or not you use the Arabic name for God – Allah – is more of a practical question than a theological one.

Theologically speaking, there is of course only one God. But as I note throughout the book, we see several places where Jesus or the Apostles confronted someone who believed wrong things about God, yet Jesus and the apostles engaged them with the common ground of, “let’s talk about that God you think you know and He is really like.”

For example, in John 4, when Jesus deals with a Samaritan woman who was considerably off on several points about God, Jesus told her that the problem was she did not understand the God that she claimed to worship. Many of the Jews to whom the Apostles spoke did not believe in the Trinity and found it blasphemous. Does that mean that the Jews worship a different God? A better, and more Biblical approach (in my view) is to take the God that they claim to understand and show them what His true revelation is like.

Practically speaking, however, you have to determine whether or not it is more helpful or more harmful to use the Islamic name for God. It is harmful when use of the Islamic name for God cause people to assign the false characteristics to God. But that doesn’t have to happen just because you use the name. For example, Our English word, “God,” comes from German Gott, the name of a false deity. But no one would say that today we confuse the two and assign the qualities of Gott to God.

With Muslims, I would say that more often than not it is more helpful to use the Arabic name for God. They understand that to be the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus. That’s a good place to start. Then you can say, “This God you worship, here is what He is really like, according to the revelation.” That said, I would leave this question mostly to the discretion of the person who is on the field in a given situation.
 

Zenas

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Can I can throw up an Asherah pole and still be considered a Christian. Can I believe in the Demiurge and still be a Christian? Can I make the hajj, run seven times around the kaaba, and consider that engaging in Christian worship?

At some point, orthodoxy matters.
Actually orthodoxy matters up front, not at some point.

However, you seem to have missed the point. The Wheaton professor never said Moslems are Christian, she only said they worship the same God. I believe they do, they just have an imperfect understanding of God. The same can be said of Jews.
 
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