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Featured How did modern worship music turn out to be so bad?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by MennoSota, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. MennoSota

    MennoSota Well-Known Member
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    It focuses attention, but it's not on God. The attention is on the preacher and his/her wit.

    The great sermons are not about the preacher. In fact, Edwards great sermon was read in a monotone voice with him never looking at the audience. He did not want to be a distraction to God's Spirit at work.
     
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    Honestly, how effective would Edwards be today in our ATtention Defecit society where adults can not even sit still for 5 minutes?
     
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    So he doesn't complain about everything, just organized church and bob's. :eek:
     
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    Nope. Does not complain at all really. One of the easiest people to get along with you will ever meet. He is a real get it done type person. He has very little tolerance for people interfering with what he is doing or impeding progress. He moves much faster and much more efficiently than "committee speed."
     
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    God would bring another Great Awakening if we had more preachers like Edwards. The wheat would separate from the chaff.
     
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    Content wise, I agree with you. Style wise? I doubt anyone would listen to him.
     
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    The Spirit of God is still the only one that sinners will listen to. The preacher is secondary.
     
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    Then why do we need another Edwards?
     
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    Because we need great theologians who completely trust in the Spirit of God and remove their ego from the equation. We need preachers who trust God to save and don't work on their theatrical presentation in order to reach the rebel heart.
     
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    We do not have one of those somewhere in the USA?
     
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    It doesn't actually say who King of your heart is so there is no theology in it. Could refer to anyone.

    Our church once had an invitaion from another church, inviting us to "An evening of worship with Grham Kendrick" 1000 tickets were available at £!2 .I asked someone "How long have we been charging for worship?" I was told that Kendrick is a professional musician.

    It seems that the music is often considered to be the worship in modrn churches. That is wrong, listening to the word of God is the worship.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. Pretty typical though of most popular songs sung in churches I've noticed. People miss it because they just read Jesus into the subject (king, lover, etc.), but if you take someone that had no church background they would never come to the conclusion that the songs are talking about Jesus.



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    I saw a group in Canterbury a few years ago singing I worship you. This was repeated over and over. As I passed by, I was tempted to ask why they wanted to worship me, but I resisted.
     
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    If a person does not recognize that The King in that song is Jesus, they have problems much bigger than the music they listen to.
     
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    I think the fact that musicians don't want to mention Jesus is a much bigger problem. Why is it so difficult to be specific in your songs, instead of using generic dribble. Do you honestly think that someone with no exposure to church is going to listen to that song in the OP and go "oh that must be talking about Jesus" No there is no way they would come to that conclusion from those lyrics.
     
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    I look at the entirety of their work. Every song does not have to explicitly mention Jesus by name. I am listening to the Newsboys as I type. The same CD has "Man on Fire" and "We Believe" on it. The first is mainly just a good jam song. The second is a modernized version of The Apostles creed. Every song an artist does need not be deep theology.

    The best Christian song I know is a country song by Brantley Gilbert, "One Hell of an Amen."
     
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    True, but every song should clearly present the attributes of God as expressed in God's word. The psalms point this out. God is the focal point, even in the psalms of despair. God-centered.
    As others mention, the lyrics themselves give the listener no indication who the King of their heart is.
     
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    Well given the song in question in the OP is Bethel that tells me all I need to know. It is not something I would ever sing, given how deep into NAR cult territory Bethel is. Worship and Theology go hand in hand in my book. Newsboys are putting on a concert, but this is a song that churches sing that has no depth whatsoever and shows a lack of discernment on the churches part.
     
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    Some things, like who The King is, should be obvious to a Christian.
     
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    I have no idea who Bethel is. I will Google them later. You do know that some of our classic and beloved church music was written by some people who were extremely backslidden when they wrote the music.
     
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