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National Guard helped border agents arrest 1,600 ADDITIONAL illegals...

What liberties have been jeopardized? What rights have been eviscerated?

There was the pretext for the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security

There was the so - called "Patriot Act"

National Defense Authorization Act

The National ID / REAL ID Act

Constitution Free Zone

Warrant less searches

The evisceration of the Fourth Amendment

Profiling (now being used to harass people) - The Tea Party fell victim to the IRS over that policy

I have so many other posts to respond to, I'm just giving you some of the more egregious examples.
 
Our own Constitution allows for the calling up, providing for, organizing and governing the Militia.

Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.


Clause 16. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

The National Guard is NOT the militia. Already addressed this point. Read the thread.
 
If the left were able to do so, why have they not done it as yet? Surely they have had ample opportunity to do just that over all these years. Deporting people that have no right to be here is not a violation of the 8th Amendment, nor would it ever be found to be unconstitutional to deport a person, the family has the opportunity to go with them, at their expense of course.

You are completely wrong. I; might cover the point if Hand D don't run us out of pages first.
 
There was the pretext for the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security

There was the so - called "Patriot Act"

National Defense Authorization Act

The National ID / REAL ID Act

Constitution Free Zone

Warrant less searches

The evisceration of the Fourth Amendment

Profiling (now being used to harass people) - The Tea Party fell victim to the IRS over that policy

I have so many other posts to respond to, I'm just giving you some of the more egregious examples.
None of which seem to eviscerate rights or liberties.
 

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I just argued that point with black supremacists. They told me Jews and whites were the same. Want me to PM you the link?
Na, they have been known to lie.

Antisemitism focusing on Judaism as a special case race/religion knows no boundaries..
 

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None of which seem to eviscerate rights or liberties.
I agree the word "eviscerate" may be a bit strong but the Patriot Act and the language in the National Defense Authorization Act regarding detaining US citizens without probable cause, The National ID / REAL ID Act, and Constitution Free Zones with Border Patrol Checkpoints 50 miles from the border, and Warrant-less searches (secret FISA warrants) seem to me to be whittling away at our liberty.
 
To continue this rant (my apologies to the OP):

When our system creates wholesale divorces and breaks families apart; when they make drug addicts of out children; when they ignore the problems that they created, I believe they have the duty to clean up their mess.

Breaking up families over a civil misdemeanor IS a violation of the 8th Amendment which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Apparently my critic on that one never read the Constitution. BTW, it's idiotic as well. With the millions here, there are millions of children that "could" leave with their families OR they could stay with a relative, go on welfare and bankrupt the United States. You need a realistic solution.

Getting beyond the immigration religionists, we start to uncover more of the bottom line:

In 1876, the United States Supreme Court gave plenary powers over "immigration" to Congress. Before that, the states decided who got to come and go within the state. Not only did the Court lack the constitutional authority to do so, it's been a screwed up mess ever since. But, let's go back before 1876.

In 1868, less than a decade before the above paragraph's role in this, Congress illegally ratified the 14th Amendment. I noticed, other than the links I'm going to post, the 14th Amendment states (in part):

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens"

Did you see that? The 14th Amendment does not mention making and / or enforcing laws that affect your unalienable Rights. It goes on to say:

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

Can't you see what they did? No person (and an undocumented foreigner is a person) can be denied the equal protection of the laws (I would argue they already had unalienable Rights.) I would submit to you if you READ the Preamble to the Constitution, that is more important than arguing that the government does not apply the law the way it was intended. Who cares how an illegally ratified Amendment gets interpreted? Let's look at the Preamble or rather the more important part of it:

"secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

We cannot guarantee to every race, religion, color, creed, sexual persuasion, political ideology and social / economic group the blessings that were intended for the citizens of the United States. Trying to reinterpret that illegal Amendment does not change its overall impact on the citizenry. OTHER than my own observations, this is some of why the 14th was illegally ratified:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

The 14th Amendment is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL – Our Evidence and Discovery To Support – We Give You Not the Poison Fruit, We Give You the Tree !

Repeal the 14th Amendment and replace it with a guarantee that everybody's unalienable Rights will be absolute, other rights as it applies to foreigners will be clearly spelled out.

It don't matter what side of the political fence I'm sitting on, one of your major problems is the 14th Amendment. It took away our unalienable Rights and replaced them with privileges and immunities; it guaranteed people (whether documented or not) equal status with the citizenry. Repealing it has to be a major focus or you are kidding yourself.
 
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I agree the word "eviscerate" may be a bit strong but the Patriot Act and the language in the National Defense Authorization Act regarding detaining US citizens without probable cause, The National ID / REAL ID Act, and Constitution Free Zones with Border Patrol Checkpoints 50 miles from the border, and Warrant-less searches (secret FISA warrants) seem to me to be whittling away at our liberty.


One time I almost became a victim of the so - called "Patriot Act."

The government had drawn up plans to kill me and say I resisted arrest. A newspaper write exposed it before it could happen.

Three years of legal wrangling and it ends with the agent who initiated it being demoted/ put into a position of lesser authority suspended for a period of time, and a letter of reprimand put in his file. There is not a doubt in my mind if they had gone through with it, the whole thing would have been whitewashed. That is how I got my nickname
 
How am I wrong? What makes you think I am wrong? If the left were able to do so, why have they not done so already, they have had 50 years to do just that.

I'm not a strategist for the left. What I can do is speculate as to what I'd do if I were in their position.

People have posted so many irrelevant posts and clicking on my own response was inadequate to find out what your real question is about. Repeat your concern.

A general point is, when it comes to strategy is that the left is smarter than the right on most strategies. Most of the time, they don't try to rub your nose into the dirt nor tell you what they really think. Example:

We have a woman running for governor in Georgia, Stacey Abrams. While all the Republicans are spewing their venom at immigrants, Stacey is all about education. What she don't tell you is that she is an activist for an effort to extort money from the government - it's called reparations. It's a good thing Republicans still rule because, in a close election somewhere else, that extremist Democrat would win.
 
I agree the word "eviscerate" may be a bit strong but the Patriot Act and the language in the National Defense Authorization Act regarding detaining US citizens without probable cause, The National ID / REAL ID Act, and Constitution Free Zones with Border Patrol Checkpoints 50 miles from the border, and Warrant-less searches (secret FISA warrants) seem to me to be whittling away at our liberty.
The Patriot Act has 2 parts, intelligence gathering and criminal investigation.

Can you please provide the section of either the Patriot Act or the NDAA that says citizens can be detained without probable cause.

The Real ID Act did nothing more than have the states follow the federal govt guidelines in regards to the tamper ability of the states ID cards and Drivers Licenses. The Constitution Free Zone (100 miles from the surrounding US border) has been around since the 1950's, and does not impinge on a citizens rights.

Even FISA warrants require authorization from a judge, in which they are used to gather information on the specific person or entity.

Now, as to the word liberty, it is subjective and limiting.
 
I'm not a strategist for the left. What I can do is speculate as to what I'd do if I were in their position.

People have posted so many irrelevant posts and clicking on my own response was inadequate to find out what your real question is about. Repeat your concern.

A general point is, when it comes to strategy is that the left is smarter than the right on most strategies. Most of the time, they don't try to rub your nose into the dirt nor tell you what they really think. Example:

We have a woman running for governor in Georgia, Stacey Abrams. While all the Republicans are spewing their venom at immigrants, Stacey is all about education. What she don't tell you is that she is an activist for an effort to extort money from the government - it's called reparations. It's a good thing Republicans still rule because, in a close election somewhere else, that extremist Democrat would win.
You said I was wrong, what is it I was wrong about?

Everybody has strategies, right, left, center, etc. so what. Each plays to their side.
 
The Patriot Act has 2 parts, intelligence gathering and criminal investigation.

Can you please provide the section of either the Patriot Act or the NDAA that says citizens can be detained without probable cause.

The Real ID Act did nothing more than have the states follow the federal govt guidelines in regards to the tamper ability of the states ID cards and Drivers Licenses. The Constitution Free Zone (100 miles from the surrounding US border) has been around since the 1950's, and does not impinge on a citizens rights.

Even FISA warrants require authorization from a judge, in which they are used to gather information on the specific person or entity.

Now, as to the word liberty, it is subjective and limiting.

Probable cause can be artificially created. As per your request, this should answer all your questions:

EPIC - USA Patriot Act

This link will prove that in the three years I had to litigate an unconstitutional act, what I told you is very true:

Judge rules part of Patriot Act unconstitutional
 
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You said I was wrong, what is it I was wrong about?

Everybody has strategies, right, left, center, etc. so what. Each plays to their side.


I would imagine you are wrong about whatever point you were trying to make and the longer we play this game, the more posts you expect me to wade through. If it's not important to you, it's not important to me. What did you specifically find worthy of your time OTHER THAN I said you were wrong? Explain and I will respond.
 
Probable cause can be artificially created. As per your request, this should answer all your questions:

EPIC - USA Patriot Act

This link will prove that in the three years I had to litigate an unconstitutional act, what I told you is very true:

Judge rules part of Patriot Act unconstitutional
Your EPIC link doesn't do much.

Your second link, if those sections are now unconstitutional, where now in it does it claim citizens can be held without probable cause as was claimed? And in order for the FBI to go after Mayfield to begin with, they had to have a Judges authorization, from your link: The Mayfield case has been an embarrassment for the federal government. Last year, the Justice Department's internal watchdog faulted the FBI for sloppy work in mistakenly linking Mayfield to the Madrid bombings. That report said federal prosecutors and FBI agents had made inaccurate and ambiguous statements to a federal judge to get arrest and criminal search warrants against Mayfield. Somebody had to authorize the searches, the judge should be blamed as much as the FBI.
 
How am I wrong? What makes you think I am wrong? If the left were able to do so, why have they not done so already, they have had 50 years to do just that.

I'm not a strategist for the left. What I can do is speculate as to what I'd do if I were in their position.
Did you complain when Bush sent troops to the border, too?

bush sends troops to the border - Google Search


Yes, I did complain. My default setting is that I will not support any law that increases the size, power or scope of government. Fact is, when Bill Clinton beat you guys to the punch, I called him out:


All anti-immigrant lobby is doing is rehashing the Klan solutions and the Clinton rhetoric. The problem is there. I just disagree with both sides as to the solution.
 
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