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NY Times: Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Baptist Believer, Oct 3, 2018.

  1. Baptist Believer

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    NY Times expose of Trump Family financial information demonstrating how the myth of Donald Trump was created.

    President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found.

    Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

    But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

    Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

    These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

    The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.

    The president declined repeated requests over several weeks to comment for this article. But a lawyer for Mr. Trump, Charles J. Harder, provided a written statement on Monday, one day after The Times sent a detailed description of its findings. “The New York Times’s allegations of fraud and tax evasion are 100 percent false, and highly defamatory,” Mr. Harder said. “There was no fraud or tax evasion by anyone. The facts upon which The Times bases its false allegations are extremely inaccurate.”


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    The findings are based on interviews with Fred Trump’s former employees and advisers and more than 100,000 pages of documents describing the inner workings and immense profitability of his empire. They include documents culled from public sources — mortgages and deeds, probate records, financial disclosure reports, regulatory records and civil court files.

    The investigation also draws on tens of thousands of pages of confidential records — bank statements, financial audits, accounting ledgers, cash disbursement reports, invoices and canceled checks. Most notably, the documents include more than 200 tax returns from Fred Trump, his companies and various Trump partnerships and trusts. While the records do not include the president’s personal tax returns and reveal little about his recent business dealings at home and abroad, dozens of corporate, partnership and trust tax returns offer the first public accounting of the income he received for decades from various family enterprises.


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    It's a lengthy piece, but well worth your time.

    NY Times expose of Trump Family financial information demonstrating how the myth of Donald Trump was created.
     
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  2. church mouse guy

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    And how did part-owner of the NYT and resident of Nice Carlos Slim get his money? Did the President of Mexico Carlos Salinas, his best friend, give him a rock bottom price on the Mexican telephone company and then did he establish a total monopoly on all things telephone in Mexico? Does he own a cell phone manufacturer in the USA? Does he hate Trump?
     
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    Now do the Kennedys.

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  4. Baptist Believer

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    I don't know. Why don't you start a thread about it instead of engaging in "What aboutism."

    The issue here is that Donald Trump ran for President based on his alleged acumen as a fantastically successful self-made billionaire. There is apparently a lot of evidence that the President's story is not true. Furthermore, this apparently well-researched and verified investigation shows that the Trump family, including Donald Trump, engaged in a number of illegal tax evasion schemes, for which they may still be civilly liable. Moreover, the President's unwillingness to reveal his tax returns has always been suspicious, but now makes perfect sense if this reporting is accurate. It also make people wonder if he is still engaged in illegal tax evasion schemes, since that has been his pattern through almost all of his life.

    If you don't mind that the President was and may still be a crook, then there is no basis for you to have any qualms about anyone else, at least, without being a hypocrite.

    I look forward to your Carlos Slim thread.
     
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    Carlos Slim, as rich as Bill Gates, hates Trump and owns a piece of the NYT as well as all of an American cell phone manufacturer. Why is a filthy rich person who lives in the South of France picking on someone who has about one tenth of what he has, especially since Slim has made billions of shady pesos in Mexico?
     
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    OK so now it begins, the dirty laundry campaign ...

    Oh it will be a ping-pong disgusting fiasco before it ends in November 3, 2020.
     
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    From the story, Mr. Trump received the "equivalent today of of $413 million..." But it wasn't $413 million. What exactly did he recieve? Mr. Trump has always acknowledged he received money from his father.

    That is a deceptive statement in the middle of the story, which informs everyone about the truthfulness of the story.
     
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    It is a bit deceptive. The amount it may be worth today is the number that will stick in people's minds. "I heard Trump inherited $413 million." Instead, the article should have said that Trump inherited $X amount of money, which is the equivalent of $413 million today. Looking at some online inflation calculators, $413 million today would be about $275 million in 1999, when Trump's father died.

    This seems extremely high. The NY Times estimated at Fred Trump's death that his entire estate was worth $250 million. Split up between the four heirs would be about $62.5 million each. The NY Daily News reported at the time that his estate was worth between $100 million and $300 million.

    Various estimates made years ago put Trump's inheritance at $40 to $50 million. I think it is safe to say it was not $275 million.
     
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    That is not where the $413 million figure comes from. It comes from a lifetime of fund transfers to Donald Trump. He was "earning" $200,000/year as a toddler, for instance.

    If you read that article, you will notice that the Trump family, especially Fred, Sr. and Donald Trump, sought friendly appraisals to value properties at an extremely low cost for tax reasons, yet sold the properties at values up to 16x higher than they were assessed. It ties in with our President's estimation of his wealth. He factors in his mood at the time, and apparently, who he is talking to. For the IRS, his property is worth pennies on the dollar. For Forbes magazine or his political campaign, his net worth is claimed to be much higher than it likely is.

    And yes, those were "estimates made years ago" before the NY Times had reams of financial documents to review.
     
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  11. Baptist Believer

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    Regardless if Slim is "picking on" Trump and Slim is completely corrupt, there are still facts to be considered. Apparently the NY Times has an enormous amount of documentation.

    Carlos Slim being a shady character does not mean that the President is not a shady character. They can both be crooks at the same time.
     
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    OK who's next? Soros?
     
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    Trump is not a crook and what Slim did is probably legal in backward Mexico. The NYT is the mouthpiece of the DNC. What do you yourself know about NYC real estate? What you describe is much like Indianapolis and very legal.

    The NYT used some shady practices to get their own building built.

    Slim is like Soros and the DNC. You fell in the DNC web.
     
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    What information would change your mind? Specifically, what will it take?
     
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    Do you have an arrest report?
     
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    * Trump was smart enough to use the laws to legally avoid giving MORE THAN HALF! of the money from his own father to the government.

    * The same people who typically believe they are entitled to other people’s money are upset about this fact and with the help of the media are going to try to make a scandal out of it before the upcoming election in which their new theme is focusing on socialism.

    * As seen with the public approval over the abolishment of the Death Tax most people believe it is unfair to forcefully take away hard earned family money to be squandered away by government bureaucrats trying to buy popularity with giving away “free stuff” to those who didn’t work for and earn it.

    * No surprise here. But once again, the Left and their media allies error, the Left and those quick to try to support this ploy are merely going to end up exposing their socialist entitlement mindset by complaining about this and trying to make issue out of people keeping their own money which rightfully and morally belong to them, and this will result in more people, the forgotten people that actually earn their own money and want to keep it, going to ballot box to insure the socialist’ agenda doesn’t get a foothold on their money.

    * Nothing to see here, not even a real threat, fake news, it won’t work, and it’s not even worth giving much more thought to other than sit back and enjoy watching this scheme backfire on the Leftist Socialist and their closet supporters, once again.
     
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    So if the Independent Counsel returns with an indictment against the President, you will change your mind?

    What about an extensive report from the Independent Counsel that details everything in the NY Times report and more?
     
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    You assert these transactions were legal. On what basis do you make that claim?

    Many of us who are not socialists and not "entitled to other people's money" are also quite disgusted with it. If the allegations of illegal activity are true, then anyone who loves justice, goodness and truth should be quite concerned.

    Fundamentally, this isn't about the "death tax," except that it was current tax law at the time of the events in these allegations. So you're good with stealing from the government because you don't like the tax laws?

    So you are not surprised that Trump is likely crooked? Honestly, I'm not either. Why do you make excuses for criminal behavior?

    I'm guessing you haven't bothered to read it. If you haven't, you have no basis to make your claim.

    I realize that living in denial is more comfortable than dealing with reality, but it's time to wake up.
     
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    Deflect!

    He has been accused of being a thief.

    Do you have an arrest report?
     
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