The Bible war.

[37818]

What was the Translation used by God then before 1611 Kjv for that?

And are you saying that was the translation you used to come to know God through Christ? Cool.

 

[TCassidy]

Pathetic, unintelligent response. Shameful, really.

Still playing the victim, I see.

By your asinine argument, that means you are hiding behind Wilbur Pickering since you’re the only one who mentioned him in this thread.

Not at all. Pickering is a recognized expert on textual criticism. Th.M. in Textual Criticism and a Ph.D. in Linguistics.

I have no interest in fooling anybody.

Then why not just discuss the issue without all the smoke screens?

 

[Yeshua1]

Pathetic, unintelligent response. Shameful, really.


By your asinine argument, that means you are hiding behind Wilbur Pickering since you’re the only one who mentioned him in this thread.


There are some on here who would say that is tremendous progress.


I have no interest in fooling anybody. I am what I am and am not the least bit ashamed or embarrassed about it. Anybody who so desires can do a search here and find out exactly what I believe on the version issue. And, I have been quite able to support what I believe and why I believe it. Simply not agreeing with Tom Cassidy does not make one wrong, contrary to what you may believe.

Out of respect for you, or rather, what I once thought you were, I’ll give you the last word. Fire away!

So you are a strict Kjv/Tr kind of guy still then?

 

[Yeshua1]

And are you saying that was the translation you used to come to know God through Christ? Cool.

No, as the Lord used the Living Bible for that!

 

[37818]

I would suggest reading the article entitled The Arrival of the Greek Text, at the Gospel Publishing House...

Are you sure that title is correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you sure that title is correct?

My bad!
The Arrival of the Critical text!

 

[37818]

No, as the Lord used the Living Bible for that!

Oh. So you heard the gospel through use of a commentary paraphrase of the word of God. The gospel works.

 

[37818]

My bad!
The Arrival of the Critical text!

Ok. Thanks.

 

[Reynolds]

My answer to that would be, so what? To the KJVO, it is supported by both. It's like the kid down the street saying, "My Dad could beat up your Dad!" Would you feel the need to go and disprove that kid? That's his opinion and perspective of his Dad.

If I drive a Ford and you drive a Chevy, and I think all Chevys are inferior to Fords, so what; that's my opinion based on my experience with Fords. You may disagree, and that's fine. It shouldn't be an issue. I don't know any KJVO authors that go outside of their camp to make it an issue.


I've heard this claim all my life. I have been in IFB churches for the past 42 years since being saved. I served on staff at 3 different IFB churches and pastored a church for several years. At no time was there any division in any of the churches because of the Bible version issue.

I've never once confronted a modern version proponent about using their version of choice. I have, however, been confronted by people, not from our church, who have seen our SOF on a website and have called to argue about it.

In out county, two churches are across the road from each other. One has a sign that says "King James Bible." It split from the church across the road when the pastor preached from the NASB.

 

[Yeshua1]

Oh. So you heard the gospel through use of a commentary paraphrase of the word of God. The gospel works.

Actually, it was the Holy Spirit working that saved me!

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok. Thanks.

Another article for you to view and mull over...
Bible.org Is the Majority text Identical to the Original text?

 

[Yeshua1]

In out county, two churches are across the road from each other. One has a sign that says "King James Bible." It split from the church across the road when the pastor preached from the NASB.

Reminds me of a time when a good friend of mine was discussing something out of the greek bible to me, and 2 elderly men behind us in the restaurant thanked us as they left, as they enjoyed "younfg men" discusiing the Bible, but just wished that we had used the real Bible and not the greek text, the Kjv!

 

[37818]

Another article for you to view and mull over...
Bible.org Is the Majority text Identical to the Original text?

I will check it out. Again a text is to be weighed not counted. And bear in mind the fact the common text is a Majority text itself.

In the mean time please explain why the so-called critical text method is not godless (apostate)? And how it identifies the inerrant text. Take an example of a case you think shows this.

 

[Yeshua1]

I will check it out. Again a text is to be weighed not counted. And bear in mind the fact the common text is a Majority text itself.

In the mean time please explain why the so-called critical text method is not godless (apostate)? And how it identifies the inerrant text. Take an example of a case you think shows this.

The Critical Greek text is using their own criteria in evaluation and choosing to them what seems to have been the best reading to give to the original greek text, and th main take ways from me in this field of textual criticism would be that few reputable scholars advocate for the exact TR that was used as basis for 1611 Kjv, and that both the majority and Critical texts are advocates who can make strong cases either side, and that in the end, both of those texts have like 98 % agreement between them, and no cardinal Christian truth is denied in either one!

 

[Logos1560]

Again a text is to be weighed not counted. And bear in mind the fact the common text is a Majority text itself.
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Actually the varying original-language texts which underlie the KJV are not a completely majority text (that a text where every reading is found in a majority of original-language manuscripts).

The underlying Greek text for the KJV has a good number of readings found in a minority of existing Greek NT manuscripts and even readings found in no known Greek NT manuscripts.

 

[Jerome]

The Critical Greek text is using their own criteria in evaluation and choosing to them what seems to have been the best reading to give to the original greek text, and th main take ways from me in this field of textual criticism would be that few reputable scholars advocate for the exact TR that was used as basis for 1611 Kjv, and that both the majority and Critical texts are advocates who can make strong cases either side, and that in the end, both of those texts have like 98 % agreement between them, and no cardinal Christian truth is denied in either one!

Well said!

 

[37818]

The Critical Greek text is using their own criteria in evaluation and choosing to them what seems to have been the best reading to give to the original greek text, and th main take ways from me in this field of textual criticism would be that few reputable scholars advocate for the exact TR that was used as basis for 1611 Kjv, and that both the majority and Critical texts are advocates who can make strong cases either side, and that in the end, both of those texts have like 98 % agreement between them, and no cardinal Christian truth is denied in either one!

I gave an example of Luke 4:4. Where 92.2% of the evidence has, "but by every word of God. " The evidence for its omission is 0.4% The other reading which has word for word the same as Matthew, its evidence is 7.2%

 

[37818]

Actually the varying original-language texts which underlie the KJV are not a completely majority text (that a text where every reading is found in a majority of original-language manuscripts).

The underlying Greek text for the KJV has a good number of readings found in a minority of existing Greek NT manuscripts and even readings found in no known Greek NT manuscripts.

Again, comes down to how the original reading is to be identified. Case by case.

 

[Yeshua1]

Again, comes down to how the original reading is to be identified. Case by case.

isn't it interesting that theTR text in places seem to have been created out of the blue so to speak?

 

[Yeshua1]

Again, comes down to how the original reading is to be identified. Case by case.

Are you saying that every time the Kjv chose to have the extended version, such as when they added, this kind comes out by prayer AND FASTING, they made the correct choice?