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Featured Palm Sunday myth.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. rlvaughn

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    I saw that you posted Mark 11:1-10. I did not see anything in there about entering Jerusalem on Sunday. Which part says that?
     
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    11:10 Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David! Hosanna in the highest!” Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. And after looking around at everything, he went out to Bethany with the twelve since it was already late.
    John 12:1-2
    12:1 Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany,

    The way I read it Mark 10:11 says Jesus entered Jerusalem, then went to Bethany. John says He came to Bethany six days before Passover. Thus assuming Passover was Saturday, then six days before was Sunday.
     
  3. rlvaughn

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    Why do you assume Passover was on Saturday?
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    That is the traditional view. And no one has offered evidence from scripture that it was not.
    "The Gospels all agree that Jesus died on a Friday during Passover on the Day of Preparation for the Sabbath (cf. Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:42)"
     
  5. rlvaughn

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    I'm not particularly interested in the traditional view or the historical view. What is the biblical view? You said you assume Passover was on Saturday. If so, then Sunday -- the day after Passover -- was the first day of unleavened bread, and was a day on which they did no work (Leviticus 23:5-8; Leviticus 23:21). But the women would have prepared the spices on either the Sabbath or the first day of the week, neither of which they would/should do (Luke 24:1).

    John 19:31 suggests the Sabbath referenced was a special Sabbath, an high day. This would accord with the feast of unleavened bread and resolve the other problems.
     
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    There are 52 holy days a year.
     
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    We agree the Hebrew day begins at sunset. At sunset Tuesday the 14th day of the first month began, Passover, and ended on Wednesday at sunset. At about the 9th hour on Wednesday afternoon 3 pm Jesus breathed out the spirit, died, and was buried just before sunset the beginning of the 15th day of the first month, a holy day, a day of rest, still our Wednesday.

    I also agree with you in that the Lord's Supper wasn't after or during the passover meal.
     
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    Why is Palm Sunday "celebrated"? Because the RCC started doing it when it was the predominant church & had lotsa political power as well. Few people questioned their edicts.
     
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    I went to Sunday services at a Baptist Church and was handed a palm. I felt I was back in the RC Church of my youth. What’s next, ashes on the forehead!?!Confused
     
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    Historically impossible. Historically and Biblically Mark 14:12 is the 14th on the Jewish calendar per Exodus 12:18 and Exodus 12:6. Mark 14:17 the following evening, making the day 15th on the Jewish calendar Christ was crucified.
     
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    no scripture does not support man's error.
     
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    Present the evidence.

    Mark 14:12 has a Jewish calendar date attatched to it, Exodus 12:18.
     
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    He is doing the same error that most cursory readers make Sabbath only means weekly Sabbath instead of it meaning any Holy Day including weekly Sabbath. This case Passover is a Sabbath

    Of course you know this 37818, this is for Van's benefit
     
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    ". . . And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . ." -- Mark 15:42. This text, as I understand it, is the evening following Christ's crucifixion. The evening beginning the perperation, the day before the weekly Sabbath. Our Thursday evening.
     
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    Van, I am confused by this statement. Several times you said Passover was on Saturday, but here you say Jesus died on Friday during Passover. So which day was Passover?
     
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    I have posted this observation in the past and for the most part it goes unnoticed but there are a scattering who might find this interesting:

    A Messianic Jew once told me that - Yes Jesus died on Friday and not only was the next day the Sabbath but the Passover as well - the Law therefore required that that Sabbath count as two separate and distinct days with a separate set of mitzvouth (Rules) for each day.

    Therefore there is an extra day inserted (so to speak) into the Passover weekend in which the Lord died between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday.

    KJV Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    The word "sabbath" in the Koine Greek of Matthew 28:1 is PLURAL.

    Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων ἦλθεν Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαριὰ θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον

    Matthew 28: S/B
    KJV Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

    Interesting?
     
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    I think it is important that you say you are confused. Were Mark and John confused about Christ dying on Preparation day, the day before the weekly Sabbath? How does Mark 15:42 read to you?

    Can a person refer to the Passover as a several day event and include the day of preparation?

    Was John wrong and his inspired writings wrong? Was Mark wrong and his inspired writings wrong? Or would I be "confused" to say we do not know how many "Passovers" occurred the unknown year Christ died, or whether the one or more were celebrated by different groups on different days.

    As for me and my house, I am all in for the traditional view. You are not going to destroy my faith by pointing out numerical difficulties within God's inspired word.
     
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    In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. Lev 23:5

    Methinks that is one day.

    It also is not a day of holy convocation nor day of rest. Sabbath day.
     
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    In the 33 A.D. interpreation, the Passover Day, 14th was Friday and the next day was indeed Sabbaths, the weekly Sabbath and the Holy Convocation day the 15th, a Passover feast day sabbath.
     
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    And when the sabbath (Singular) was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1

    And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath (Singular) day according to the commandment. Luke 23:55,56

    Ummmm!
     
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