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. . . Sola Scriptura . . . .

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  1. Walter

    Walter Well-Known Member
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    They would have given it you LONG ago if they could present it. They are terribly flustered by this thread even being put in a forum where Catholics are allowed to comment. And if “the Bible Alone” is indeed a true philosophy, then why do some Lutheran Churches like the ELCA say that practicing homosexual ministers are OK, and other Lutheran Churches like the Missouri Synod say that they are not? Both Churches are descendants of Martin Luther, and they both use “the Bible Alone” as their method of studying scripture. Why do many American Baptists pastors celebrate gay marriage and Freewill Baptists pastors teach Christians can lose their salvation? There are approximately 33,000 different protestant denominations today, all using “the Bible Alone” as their tradition. But they all interpret the bible differently, or they wouldn’t be a different denomination. Is the Holy Spirit divided?
     
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    What irks me is he says I'm going to go to hell because of the unreasonable position of asking for a bible verse.

    The CHURCH has the the power to BIND and make it the final authority lets get together and scribble in a new bible page.


    Lets face the truth. You guys say the bible teaches it, The bible never teaches it. ERGO this Doctrine is unbiblical.

    If that is not the true. Then lets see a bible verse right now.
     
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    So as a Baptist you are now claiming that you believe that which was taught by the recognized Early Church Fathers of the One Universal Christian Church in the early centuries i.e.4th, 5th, 6th, and accepted by virtually all of Christendom up to the 15th century? Nice try, but as a Baptist you simply do not believe as the Eastern Orthodox faith tradition (and we Catholics) believes and is the definition of the word "orthodoxy".
     
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    Wow. That if held, leads to believing what modern Biblical Baptists do not believe.

    Those who have gone from so-called evangelical faith to the "Orthodox" or "Catholic" church did so from that basis.

    Those who have gone from the "Orthodox" or "Catholic" church to a Baptist view point do so on the basis of the experience of the "new birth" found in the teachings in the New testament alone. Knowing God, knowning they are saved, knowing they now possess eternal life.
     
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    Church of Time denies the true Gospel, Pauline Justification, so Rcc not orthodox.
     
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    @Walter,
    I want this type of discussion.
     
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    Well, he said he was "orthodox" in belief, so that could only mean one thing - and that cannot be the Baptist theological belief

    And as historical Christianity so clearly tells us, it is not Sola Scriptura. Our Christian faith has it's basis in the New Testament, but no, not alone. Look, even in the 1st century they were establishing the traditions that the Christians who came later held fast too. As you said earlier, in those 1st century days there was no NT scriptures for the faithful to follow.
     
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    the ONLY inspired sources to get doctrines and practices from are the 66 canon books of the Bible!
     
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    Ah, no. My Baptist view of orthodoxy is the Christian New Testament alone.
    That is a point of disagreement. As I have argued, it is either the Christian New Testament alone for all matters of faith and practice in New Testament [Baptist] churches or some other claimed source of God's word on that matter is being claimed in some way.
     
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    What is your view of the Old Testament?

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    The inventor of the Baptist faith, an Anglican Priest, later left it because he knew it held no legitimacy, left to be Mennonite.

    Those who leave the Orthodox or Catholic church do so with misrepresentation and ignorance of church teaching.
     
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    I've noticed no one has given a bible verse to support Sola Scriptura.

    Anyone brave enough to blow the whistle for the sake of TRUTH? Fill us in that indeed there is no teaching or is deception the common practice?
     
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    The Bible is very clear that you've ADDED to the gospel. The Bible says "justified by faith", NOT " justified by faith alone"

    The only Bible passage that expressly addresses 'justification by faith alone':

    24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2
     
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    Baptists get doctrine from Jesus and His Apostles, not from priests!
     
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    It is the inerrant word of God. Matthew 4:4, Luke 24:44, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, etc. As is also the New Testament. The difference being in matters of faith and practice in the New Testament churches [Baptist], the Old Testament is pre Apostolic and the New Testament is post Apostolic. Both equally the word of God to His churches.
     
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    Faith alone refers to, not by faith plus works. ". . . For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. . . ." -- Romans 4:2-5.
     
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    Brought to you by men who removed what all of Christendom had agreed to was the Canon of Scripture for over 1500 years.
     
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    It came not by just priests, but by the Church as a whole through hundreds upon hundreds of years. Now who do you trust, the Church or John Smythe?
     
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    Some 50 years later, Genesis 22:12, Abraham was justified by his works also.
     
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