Only Those Whom the Father Draws to Christ

Actually, depending upon the context Impel means Drive, force, or urge (someone) to do something. Context matters.

 

Yes, raising Lazarus from the dead was a miracle. Someone trusting in the gospel message is not a miracle and being saved is not. God saves those that freely trust in His son. Being dead physically, as Lazarus was, is quite different from being dead spiritually, separated from God.

Lazarus could not raise himself from the dead but man, even a spiritually dead one, can hear and trust the gospel message and trust in Christ Jesus and be saved. Just because many will not trust does not mean they could not.

 

I know what the verse says the spiritually dead can hear the message of Christ. You are the one claiming the dead cannot hear, that they must be regenerated first.

 

So you pit truth, (at least in some areas) against the sovereignty of Falselogy, your unbiblical doctrine. You pit your man-made doctrine against God's inspired word, as if your man-made false doctrines should be considered when directly contradicted by scripture.

Your doctrine says the spiritually dead cannot hear the message of Christ, God's word says the dead hear the Son of God.

 

Did I say salvation is based on luck? Nope so yet another manufactured material false statement. Truth has no meaning for the Falselogy advocates.

 

I really believe God's inspired words found in John 5:25. The dead hear the Son of God. Does not say the non-dead regenerated hear. That is your rewrite.

 

John 5:25 says the dead can hear.

John 12:32 indicates if a person hears about Christ being crucified for their sin, they will be attracted to that gift opportunity.

Is John 6:44 speaking only to Jews? Nope.

Does the quickening power draw individuals to Christ? Nope. The claim was that bit of nonsense can be found "somewhere" in John chapter 6. But that too is fiction.

Yes, every indivdual given to (placed spiritually within) Christ is made alive eternally.

Jesus promised to not cast them out. John 6:37.

And we have yet another name for "irresistible grace." Here it is "constraining graces." I kid you not.

What is the actual attracting power termed "draw?" God's lovingkindness! No star trek tractor beam is found in scripture.

 

Thats my point. Man naturally are dead to God Spiritually, and so cant hear Gods voice. And be that the case, man naturally cant have Faith in Christ since Faith cometh by hearing. Dead folk cannot hear spiritually. Now when God draws a person by giving them New Birth, New Life, spiritual ears, then they hear and believe. But not until then !

 

silverhair

Yes they are miracles of Grace. New Birth is a Miracle, and so its fruit of believing on Christ is a miracle. Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Without the miracle of Divine Intervention with the New Birth men cannot believe in Christ.

 

van

Thats not what the verse says, however since the verse is speaking about Christ calling a person from death, Its the New Birth, the New Creation So the verse is talking about Christ regenerating a dead sinner. Just like when Lazarus was dead, Christs voice regenerated him to life. The word regenerate means birth or life again, birth anew, life anew

So yes in this case a dead sinner can hear when Christ makes them alive. That proves men had nothing to do in their new birth because they were dead when it took place. It proves also that hearing here wasn't by the natural man because he is dead.

 

van

Thats correct, dead people hear when they are regenerated.

Just like in Jn 5:28

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

These dead people will hear because Christ is raising them from the dead, same miracle, otherwise people dead in their graves cant hear, but you probably disagree with that also lol

 

There is your problem, you need God the miraculously save you before you even believe. That is just plain foolish. It is not a miracle that God saves those that trust in His son, it is God's response to those that fulfill the condition that He has set for salvation.

 

You do realize the physical and spiritual dead are two different think? You are conflating them and that is because your theology requires it but it is not biblical.