This magazine article references a 1977 conference that divided fundamentalists.
Does anyone remember this?
Who exactly were the controversial non-fundamentalist invitees?
Was this the Sword Conference where Jack Van Impe railed against a fundamentalist "hate movement" that had it out for him?
1977 Fundamentalist Fissure
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Jerome, Jul 25, 2010.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
According to the Viola Walden bio, John R. Rice, "The Captain of our Team", the speakers were: JRR, Falwell, Hyles, A. V. Henderson, Lee Roberson Gary Coleman, Greg Dixon, Jack Van Impe, Ray Batema, E. J. Daniels, Curtis Hutson, Bob Gray, Tom Wallace, Truman Dollar.
The only name I see in there a 1977 fundamentalist might object to is E. J. Daniels. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Daniels was SBC.
There was a huge crowd, 175 exhibitors, a 500 voice choir, 30 called to preach when Lee Roberson preached. Many were saved in the services and outside, many preachers got right with God. JRR was filmed preaching "You Must Be Born Again," which was subsequently shown on 250 TV stations to 188 million, according to "Miss V." as we called her. That figure sounds inflated though. (Miss V. was John R. Rice's executive secretary and 2nd biggest fan--yours truly taking the #1 spot.)
Sounds like the GARB folks missed out. :flower: -
Falwell was not SBC at the time but there were lots of IFB people who thought that Falwell was a compromiser also.
Dr. Rice just had a better understanding of who and what fundamentalists are than any of his "successors". -
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I think this was the year that Van Impe preached his now infamous message on Heart Disease in Christ's Body, wasn't it? It definitely took a softer view towards separatism.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
At the John R. Rice funeral in January, 1981, Falwell was one of the speakers, sharing the platform with Lee Roberson, Bob Sumner, Bill III, John Rawlings, Tom Malone, Curtis Hutson, Jack Hyles. Lesser lights including my father and the other 5 sons-in-law. (I still have a program.) Of those men, Bob Sumner was GARB connected, though I don't know if he was GARB per se.
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I'm not surprised the GARBC wasn't represented at the conference. It came out of the NBC in mid 30s. Those Fundamental Baptists coming out of the NBC had\have little in common with those coming out of the SBC (since the 1830s). Further, from their experience with the NBC, they had little confidence (in the 70s) in the re-taking of the SBC.
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So, for the author of the article linked to in the OP to say that fundamental unity was damaged by the speakers John R. Rice had at Detroit is kind of like Bill saying to Joe, "I don't want to be your friend anymore" when they weren't friends in the first place, just casual acquaintances! Bill should have said, "I don't want to become your friend!" -
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Looking at the list of the "who's who" in fundamentalism from that conference is sobering
Jack Hyles - moral/parental failure
Greg Dixon - lawbreaker
Jack Van Impe - lunatic
Ray Batema - ran off with another woman
Bob Gray - pedophile
Truman Dollar - homo/suicide
We should all look back at the conference and shake our heads that we were duped by men like this as "leaders" of a pseudo-fundamentalism.
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Rice, A.V. Henderson, Lee Roberson, Gary Coleman, E. J. Daniels, Curtis Hutson, Tom Wallace.
I believe that Henderson, Coleman and Wallace are the only ones still alive.
Some would include Falwell and some would not due to his shenanigans with the PTL mess and finances at LBC. -
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And Van Impe left fundamentalism, and was pretty solid at the time of the conference, so no one should be able to blame him on fundamentalism! And Greg Dixon may be technically a "lawbreaker," but then so were Peter and John. Was Greg Dixon sinning? I'm certainly not his judge.
Concerning Jack Hyles, I'd say that his son Dave is certainly a blot on his parenting, but his daughters turned out pretty well. Concerning his moral failure, some would say it's his word against that of Vic Nischik. At the time I read all the stuff coming out from both sides. I felt deeply sad for Vic at the time (still do), but at the same time hoped Dr. Hyles was innocent. I'm afraid I have to let God be the Judge in the matter--He does a much better job than man.
I was caught in the middle of that issue, being supported at the time by FBC Hammond. Hyles sent out a statement for all us missionaires to sign promising that we were completely behind the ministries of FBC and HAC. i refused to sign as did other missionaries I know, but Dr. Hyles was gracious enough to promise to hold off dropping our support until we were on furlough, 4 years from then. No other pastor who dropped us has ever done that. Furthermore, under Jack Schaap, the missionaries dropped under Dr. Hyles were taken on again. :type: -
But the list of "big names" of that brand of SotL pseudo-fundamentalism is tainted by a GREAT NUMBER of really evil people. I would think some not even regenerate.
We did a look at the big 1970 (I think) Sword Convention in Detroit. Someone posted the front page of the SotL with pix. 75% men showed their true nature in the next decades with assorted immoral, filthy and criminal activities.
I walked away from that crowd and never looked back (although, like you, some are still my personal "heroes")