what does Joshua mean by these words
"14 “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” (24)
Or, Ezekiel:
"21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? (18)
Or, Jesus:
"39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life" (39-40)
Yet you are UNWILLING, not that they could not will.
Clearly FREE WILL is taught here.
1st Corinthians 15 Universal atonement
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by prophecy70, Oct 6, 2020.
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Why do you agree all fell in Adam? That is 'universalism'? Why do you believe the 'universalism' of sin and not the universalism of Christ's atonement?
No, the Bible says all mankind are represented in Christ as the Last Adam. Else He wouldn't be the Last Adam. In the First Adam, all fell. In the Last Adam all are redeemed. But you have to be in the Last Adam. Entry into the First Adam is physical birth. Entry into the Last Adam is faith. (Rom. 5:2)
See (Rom. 5:12-21). How many men are involved?
How many times do you want me to say it. Yes, all sins have been paid in Jesus Christ. Just because all sins are paid in Christ, doesn't place all in Christ. Faith moves one from Adam to Christ. From the race of the First Adam to the race of the Last Adam.
The question is, who are you in? Adam or Christ?
The 'all' is for all in Adam. Else there is no 'Last Adam'. I have already told you this.
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He doesn't limit the atonement as it provided exactly what God wanted. All sin is paid.
Though the atonement is made, men are not saved. Men are saved only if faith is exercised, moving them from the First Adam to the Last Adam.
If men refuse Christ, then they remain in their sins in the First Adam.
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Eisegesis
Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning. Eisegesis is when a reader imposes their interpretation of the text. -
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19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20¶Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22) -
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