#3 KJV-Onlyism Commentary

Ah, Will, you wrote an essay about me? I'm honored! Did you think by not putting my name on this post I would not respond?

Will, Will, Will. You did not indicate the source of the quote. I did when I posted it.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2805.html#000008

(By the way, the source is Adam Clarke)

I am not really the scholar but I take it that you DO know how to translate it? I think the Greek students here are having some difficulty already with some of your assertions about Greek translation. BTW, do you have any MSS evidence to offer on the subject?

Not my opinion, Adam Clarke's citing Dr. MacKnight's.

Me or Adam Clarke? Well, either way, it's okay that you feel that way.

Ah, the pontification begins!

Who said that, Will? Certainly not me. Back it up with a link if you think I did. We check your sources everywhere else. Don't think you'll get away with that here on the same board!

Well, enough on that. I'll check behind you on your quotes after dinner. I wonder if I'll find any taken out of context?

Again, "these Bibles are totally authoritative when they agree with the KJV. They are trash when they do not!" You're too much sometimes.

Why? Because I point out your errors in logic and cite credible sources? Because I hold you accountable for your allegations?

"...but NEVER answer questions that will comprimise your position!"


http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2805.html#000009

 

Will! You asked me for a translation last time you posted (directly by name) to me and I told you "Young's Literal"! Why did you not cite it?

 

Will, your hit and run posting may be good for you, but you should really cite links on the other boards you go to when referring to this thread, although it is really no surprise you don't since you never cite sources here either. I suppose you do not wish anyone to see the rebuttals that come back to you.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whichversion/message/17057

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/whichversion/message/17056

When you cut and post quotes from this site onto another site, you must post a link. That is why we have the clause in the user agreement that states:

If you do not abide by this agreement, you can get the other board in trouble. In this particular case, it is the law that demands credibility from you.

 

Thank you! It is excellent.

 

Would you mind proving which version is the "error free scriptures" Michelle?? We truly would be interested in knowing. Please, tell us how we use little of our brain if we don't agree with your position. :rolleyes:

AVL1984

 

Michelle's continued ommission to the above:
inspired perfectly and without error only in the originals
Why do continue to bear false witness?
It seems that you have an inability to comprehend because you are stuck in a rut of KJV onlyism and cannot think beyond that rut.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]I believe this is one reason she's moved to this forum. MOst of us in the Bible Versions forum called her on her doctrine, but she continued to insult and slam people with circular reasoning, questioning their salvation, their intelligence and their service to God or love for God because they didn't use the KJV ONLY. I've watched her attacks here now for a few days, and it's a pity. No evidence in the least to back up the theory that KJV Onlyism is correct.

AVL1984

 

Shhhh.....Don't tell them this. It might make them realize that something is wrong, and they don't want to know that. ;)

AVL1984

 

Michelle, you have posted nothing more than your "opinion" on other threads in other parts of this forum designed to denegrate anothers faith and belittle them. Please, don't lecture anyone on how to conduct themselves until you can follow your own commandments. Unicorn to many of todays readers (not those of the Elizabethan English age) is the mythical character. So, it was a bad choice of words for the KJV translators to use. They could have just as easily used "one horned beast", yet they did not. Strange how with the continued daily evolution of the English language, unicorn doesn't just mean a one horned beast in many's minds.

AVL1984

 

Michelle, would you mind showing us which version of the kjVERSION is the infallible, inerrant Word of God in the English language. Was it the 1611 Version or the 1762, 1769 or one of the other updates of it? Also which version of the version is correct and infallible, the Cambridge or the Oxford? The word choices are an integral part of infallibility, so, please, prove your point.

AVL1984

 

You say others have questioned you just as you have questioned many of us in the other forums here, Michelle. You have called many of my brethren who use MV's uneducated, questioned their salvation and love of God, their intelligence and comprehending power, etc., and yet you get huffy when someone does the same to you, crying foul and screaming out "slander". Think of just how cutting your words are. Your long quote of scripture proved absolutely nothing but your inability to prove your point. It is typical of many KJVO's to do this to try and deflect. How are Jason's claims any more false here than yours are here and on the other forums? Please, tell us. We'd like to know. :confused:

AVL1984

 

Michelle, none of these sites promote the KJV in any way, shape or fashion. Nor do they teach a single version only doctrine. I believe only one or two of the links worked at all. Truly, you need to study your position more thoroughly.

AVL1984

 

See, you insult people and then cry foul if someone does the same to you. Hypocritical if you ask me. I think he comprehends quite well. At least he's not using the circular cultic reasoning of the Ruckmanism type. Nowhere do your posting show one version onlyism. It's sad you continue to hold to a position which has so clearly been pointed out to be false.

AVL1984

 

The same way most of us in the Bible Versions forum responded to it. We didn't let her question our ability to comprehend, especially since many of us DO use the KJV, but aren't KJVO.

AVL1984

 

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Michelle, you have posted nothing more than your "opinion" on other threads in other parts of this forum designed to denegrate anothers faith and belittle them. Please, don't lecture anyone on how to conduct themselves until you can follow your own commandments. Unicorn to many of todays readers (not those of the Elizabethan English age) is the mythical character. So, it was a bad choice of words for the KJV translators to use. They could have just as easily used "one horned beast", yet they did not. Strange how with the continued daily evolution of the English language, unicorn doesn't just mean a one horned beast in many's minds.

AVL1984
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Maybe many unbelievers believe this to be true and do not believe in God, but christians DO NOT believe this myth, nor HAVE THEY EVER, for this is in THE SCRIPTURES! Please, stop trying to say the scriptures are in error, because you are perpetrating a lie.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle, you are using circular reasoning again, not even addressing the issue. Try again, dear. I have not stated the scriptures are in error. I stated that the KJV translators made a bad choice of words. This is not the same. You are making false accusations, and you should be ashamed of yourself. :( I noticed you still have not answered the question about which version of the KJV was the inerrant, perfect Word of God.

AVL1984

 

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You say others have questioned you just as you have questioned many of us in the other forums here, Michelle. You have called many of my brethren who use MV's uneducated, questioned their salvation and love of God, their intelligence and comprehending power, etc., and yet you get huffy when someone does the same to you, crying foul and screaming out "slander". Think of just how cutting your words are.
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I have never done this in the above bold, and this is a false accusation of me, brother.


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Your long quote of scripture proved absolutely nothing but your inability to prove your point. It is typical of many KJVO's to do this to try and deflect. How are Jason's claims any more false here than yours are here and on the other forums? Please, tell us. We'd like to know.
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This is your own opinion. You have never proven that any scriptural reference/support that I have given is indeed irrelevant and unable to support my position/points. Your own words and opinions come easy, and how nice it is for others to say such things, without scriptural support for their opposition of it, and to claim such as the above.
Just cause YOU say it is so, doesn't mean it is so, unless you can show otherwise - to which you have not.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Av1984
What are you doing,spamming the board?

Before this debate began, I thought that many KJO were slightly rude and needed a lesson in humility.But after following this debate commentary, they are pussycats compared to many of the anti- KJO proponents here at the Baptist Board.
Its a waste of time trying to communicate with many of you, everything turns into an argument and the Lord is not glorified in this sesspool of KJO hatred.

 

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Michelle, none of these sites promote the KJV in any way, shape or fashion. Nor do they teach a single version only doctrine. I believe only one or two of the links worked at all. Truly, you need to study your position more thoroughly.

AVL1984
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Seems many on these boards are having quite a difficult time, comprehending such as simple truth as this, all because they are stuck on a false, man made label that has been slapped onto on the truth. Just a word of advice: Try taking off the label of "king James Bible" and look at what is within, from Genesis 1 - Revelation 22:21. These are the scriptures, and have been and always will be in our English language. If you fight this, you are only fighting the truth, no matter what "label" you decide to slap onto it, in order to AVOID this truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle, the Bible Versions forum is full of your insults and questioning of intelligence of others. There are a few here, too, questioning people intelligence or ability to comprehend. Remember, Michelle, just because YOU say it's so doesn't make it so either. You've posted NO PROOF of the Bible supporting one version only over the others. And you still avoid the question asked by several here and on the Bible Versions forum.

AVL1984

 

Believe me, Artbook, I don't hate the KJV, and I never will. In fact, it is my version of choice. I do not advocate KJVO doctrine, though, as there is no scriptural evidence to back up a one version only "doctrine". I'm not an apologist for the MV's, but I won't stand by and let someone denegrate them either, especially someone who uses circular reasoning, can't back up their posts with proof, and whines about being lied about when she attacks people all of the time. I don't have to spam the boards. I just came across this section last night and answered posts as I came across them. One can go to the Bible Versions forum and see that the person couldn't make her arguments and circular reasoning a go up there so she left and came here. Too bad so many KJVO's can dish out the venom, but cannot take it when KJV's (without the "O") and MV supporters answer. If they can't handle the heat, maybe they should stay out of the kitchen. :eek:

AVL1984