http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Plaisted-Estimates_Number_Killed_by_the_Papacy-2006.pdf
I have never studied the Inquisition by the Roman Catholic Church and I listened to a radio show by Chris Pinto where he stated there was 68 Million killed entirely. I did a little research and found it couldn't be proved but many still believe over 50 million were put to death from 600 AD to mid 19th century by the Popery. WOW! I had no idea it was this many. I thought it may have been a few thousand or maybe even one million, but 50-68 million people, in a time where the entire population of Europe was not that many.
Has anyone done a good study of this? If so what have you found about this? I would love to hear how many were really killed and what for. Thanks
50 Million dead in Inquisition
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by SolaSaint, Oct 10, 2013.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I seriously doubt there were 50 million people in all of Europe at that time.
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The long sealed inquisition archives - held back to protect the RCC.
in Christ,
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Bro. James Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Interesting: how the keepers of the records have been cooking the books. This is also a modern day malady of the human kind.
This is a lot of lack of accountability smokescreen, kind of like the WWII holocaust of the Jews. Things like this become muddled by historians guided by the author of confusion.
Fact: there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Christians(?) were killing Christians and Jews, etal for many centuries.
An accurate tally is not a requirement. Ethnic cleansing is still alive and well on planet earth.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James -
Just providing some balance and objectivity here. This is the text of part of the Mass in Rome on March 12, 2000 in which Pope John Paul II offered a Universal Confession of Sins and Request for Forgiveness
http://www.lafond.us/pagans/Papal_Apology/apology.htm
MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION: THE CHURCH AND THE FAULTS OF THE PAST
December 1999
http://www.lafond.us/pagans/Papal_Apology/MemAndRec.htm
...in other words, the RCC has at least acknowledged and attempted to apologize and ask forgiveness for it's past sins.
Concerning "the WWII holocaust of the Jews", and, "sufficient evidence to conclude that Christians(?) were killing Christians and Jews, etal for many centuries", the general tendency among many is to ignore, or turn a blind eye to the invert, 'Jews killing Christians'.
http://www.ukemonde.com/zhydy/jewsandcommunism.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
http://ihr.org/mwreport/2012-01-18
After the Bolshevik takeover of Russia in 1918 and several other Jewish Communist revolts in Europe, the Jews were widely viewed throughout Europe as dangerous troublemaking revolutionaries, no one wanted them. This is why Hitler had lots of cooperation from occupied countries in rounding them up and shipping them off. -
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The best estimate of starvation in China during The Bitter Years is 45 million. There are other estimates. No one really know or will ever know. This was from 1958 to 1962. That is only in few years.
The starvation instigated by Stalin in the Ukrine has been estimated as up to 10 million.
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Mass killings under Communist regimes
"Mass killings occurred under some Communist regimes during the twentieth century with an estimated death toll numbering between 85 and 100 million." -
preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
50 million is simply not possible.
A much lower number is certainly more reasonable. Though the Inquisition is a terrible moment and continual blight on Christianity, 50 million is simply wrong.
Now the larger issue is what aspect of the Inquisition are we dealing with, this isn't a one time event. But even putting the disparate events together the number barely gets to 1 million, not nearly close to 50 million. -
Fifty million, nine million, one million -- all absurd and grossly exaggerated numbers. The media want everyone to think the faith has been the cause of millions of deaths, but won't even consider that nearly 50 million have died due to abortion over the last 41 years. They won't discuss that, because they won't call it "murder."
According to Professor Agostino Borromeo, Governor-General of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, about 125,000 persons were investigated by the Spanish Inquisition, of which 2,250 were executed. Most of these deaths occurred in the first decade and a half of the Inquisition's 350 year history. In Portugal of the 13,000 tried in the 16th and early 17th century 741 were said to have been condemned to death. Writers of the time did not report if Portugal's higher percentage included those sentenced to death in effigy, i.e. an image burnt instead of the actual person.
Historian Gustav Henningsen reported that statistical tabulations of 50,000 recorded cases tried by nineteen Spanish tribunals between 1540-1700 sentenced 775 people to be executed while another 700 were sentenced to death in effigy ("El 'banco de datos' del Santo Oficio: Las relaciones de causas de la Inquisición española, 1550-1700", BRAH, 174, 1977).
Jewish historian Steven Katz remarked on the Medieval Inquisition that "in its entirety, the thirteenth and fourteenth century Inquisition put very few people to death and sent few people to prison; 90 percent of its sentences were canonical penances" (The Holocaust in Historical Context, 1994).
Placing the number as high as one million, much less 50 million, is intellectual dishonesty and slander, though there is absolutely no defense for the slaughter that did occur. But others on this thread are absolutely correct: Ghengis Kahn, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin were all much more obscene mass murders than the Catholic Church. -
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After a little research I have found many opposing claims. Many say 25-100 Million killed and other say much lower. I also have heard that most of the records of the Inquisition have been destroyed, so we will never know for sure. The fact remains that if it is 100 or 100 million it is still horrible. As Protestants we truly need to be thankful for the men and women who stood strong during this dark time.
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I'd challenge that there were 25 million within the reach of the Roman Catholic Inquisition.
Even if you get a number of 50 million total Western European population, to say that 50 million, or even 25 million, were executed because of the Inquisition would mean 1/2, or 3/4, of the population died as a result of it. No reasonable historian, that I know of, would believe that number. -
I found that lack of anything to quote "noteworthy" when the apology first came out - to be curious so I contacted the Catholic EWTN online source. At that time Dr. William Carroll was in charge of the church history section of Q&A. So I asked about the supposed apology and how it speaks to the issue of infallibility given that Lateran IV was an infallible ecumenical council calling for the "extermination" of all heretics.
The response I got in no uncertain terms is that the Pope had been very careful NOT to apologize for any actual act of the church in history.
So a lot of window dressing there - but even by RCC standards - no substance to it -- for a number of reasons.
in Christ,
Bob -
You know "the obvious" given this enligthened age - no longer in the dark ages - you would think that "yes it was a huge blunder - lets all agree that it should never have been done and is a crime against humanity that should never happen again" - is the "common sense" enlightened view of it.
So why the glaring silence?
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Over 700 years, that would be an average of 71428 per year, 1373 per week, 196 per day -
Here is the coin the Pope had made in honor of the crimes against humanity just authored by the RCC of his day.
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