85-year-old says she was strip searched at JFK

Free, In Heaven, I will not have to worry about any terrorist blowing up the streets of Gold!:love2:

Free, did you know that some of the founding fathers did not want to pass the Bill of Rights - because they were afraid that those would be the only rights for Americans

As pro-lifers, we demand that pro-abortions show us in the Constitution where they have a right to an abortion.

One other thing - as far as unreasonable searches - no one makes you on a plane.

 

Free- the commerce clause is in the constitution -

It appears that Don used common sense in assuming you knew that.

but for your info (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3).

 

No - We need a balance. We HAVE to give up some freedoms for the good of all. I can't drive wherever I want - I have to drive following the laws. I cannot shoot a gun wherever and whenever I want - there are guidelines as to what will be safe and what will not. In the same way, I need to allow a little bit of infrigement on my comfort in order for there to be a safer airspace for all.

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

 

I don't know but I think this statement qualifies "We HAVE to give up some freedoms for the good of all." She wants to give up MY freedoms for her need to "feel good." Sorry, but that is the definition of "liberal" in my book.

 

Well, it may be "liberal" to some but to others it's not. I'm certainly not liberal and I can show you liberal friends of mine who would totally go to bat for me NOT being liberal.

But I believe if I'm liberal because I feel that it's OK to give up some rights for the benefit of all people, then I guess you all are too if you follow the laws for driving. :laugh:

 

I'm sorry, but you, as usual, are not making any sense. I drive a car. That doesn't mean I demand that YOU NOT drive so I can feel safer in the road.

You want ME to give up my 2nd and 4th amendment rights so YOU can have a warm fuzzy feeling of safety. That warm fuzzy may make you are squishy inside, but it is a fools paradise!

If you want to give up YOUR rights, go ahead, but only a leftist, socialist liberal would demand that I give up my rights just to give you a warm fuzzy.

It as few as 1% (and the number of gun owners in the US is LOT higher than 1% - about 90%) of the passengers on the flights that were hijacked and flown into the Trade Towers and the Pentagon had been armed all those people would be ALIVE and the hijackers would be DEAD!

You want to give away MY God given rights for a FALSE FEELING of safety that, in the real world, does not exist!

 

But you must obey the traffic symbols. You must drive on a certain side of the road. You must follow the rules of the road - or else you can't drive anymore!! Your right to drive wherever you want stops at the point where it endangers someone else.

 

That is just about the STUPIDEST thing I have ever read on the BB (and believe me I have read some really STUPID things here). In case nobody ever explained it to you, the Constitution of the United States does not say I have a protected right to drive anywhere and in any manner I please. However, the Constitution of the United States DOES recognize my God given right to "keep and bear arms" and my God given right to be free from "unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause."

You do understand that, according to the US Constitution, before I can be searched, the person conducting the search MUST have probable cause to search me? Probable cause is the reasonable suspicion that I have just committed a crime, am about to commit, or I am in the process of committing a crime. A "reasonable suspicion" is defined as having a "reasonable, articulable belief, based on facts, that a crime is being committed, has just been committed, or is about to be committed."

What crime were you believed to have committed the last time you were searched at an airport?

 

Well, I haven't traveled through an airport in almost 9 years but were I to be carrying something under my clothing and I state that I cannot be searched by the scanner, that opens me up to a manual search. From there, someone searches me and feels something under my clothing - and they bring me into a private area to see what it is. That's all!

 

You seem to have, once again, missed the point! They have no Constitutional justification for the search! None! Nada! Zip! Zero!

Now do you understand?