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A novel view on Old Earth Creationism

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Seeker of the Source, Nov 2, 2020.

  1. Scott Downey

    Scott Downey Well-Known Member

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    The difference between me and you, is I believe what the scriptures are saying, and you dont, and you dont recognize this as a problem?

    The fact that under the earth exists a molten state of tremendous heat and fire that never goes out is evidence in itself that hell is under the earth. Something men can see and feel with their physical bodies. God leaves us a witness in the earth of hell fire and brimstone.
     
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    Just what exactly are you talking about? Explain yourself explicitly. Prove you know that I don't believe the scriptures.
     
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    I dont have to, you already did it yourself, and you dont even recognize that.
     
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    Matthew 12:40
    For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish,
    so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    When Jesus died he descended into hades, (hell, sheol) Jesus said it is in the heart of the earth.
    Hell is under the earth, so under your feet, somewhere down below...way down in the fire and the heat is a place called hell.
     
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    Ah gee, Scott, now that is simply a lazy man's better-than-thou cop out. How can anyone read your mind?

    Your comment reminds of the time a brother and I went to ask an older brother what his plans for our fellowship were and why he was behaving like he was. Instead of a direct response he simply stated, "In time you all will understand." Stuff like that is snobbish baloney. Tragically, the fellowship soon dissolved under his authoritarian know-it-all behavior.

    So, are you like him or are you going to be forthright here? Or is the reality happening here, that you simply do not have a logical answer for why you are saying what you are saying?

    Hmmm . . .
     
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    Now you're trolling. The scriptures clearly say Hell (Sheol) is under the earth, or at it's heart.
    And you do not believe it.
    For you nullify the scriptures saying people wrote them long ago according to their cultural understanding.
    Scripture though is the word of God to man .

    Here is what you believe
    "I can believe that Old Testament and New Testament authors used phrases that showed their opinion that Hades, Sheol and Hell were "under the earth" and "below" as men of old gave it their best shot guessing where these mysterious realms existed."

    That is like paganism.
     
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    Scripture still doesn't conclusively state Hell is inside the Earth. When Jesus gave the sign of Jonah, He was simply referring to being DEAD and BURIED in the earth for 3 days, etc. He never says anything about being in Hell. You're misinterpreting that passage to prove something taught to you as a young believer. Let it go man. It just is NOT important for a Christian to believe the Earth's interior houses Hell. It just isn't any doctrine or statement of faith. It is simply a concept someone put in your head. I heard the same goofy idea from fundamentalist preachers years ago and the Spirit way back then gave me a clear check in my spirit every time I heard it or read it. I didn't buy it then and I ain't being swayed now.

    You're biased in your Scripture reading due to prejudice from man's ideas put in your head. Even the Greeks foolishly believed the Underworld was inside the Earth. It's all the logic reasonings and myths of men vs. hearing the Spirit of God breathe Truth. Ideas upon ideas still only yields ideas - not Truth.
     
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    You are just another one of the hundreds of millions of old earthers who think that you should control all of the museums and who uses the government and schools to propagate your point of view. If Christians want to build a museum with their own money, that is their right.
     
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    Brother, the government and the schools could care less about ANY form of Creationism. I tried for years to simply get local libraries to carry creationism texts, with no luck.

    OEC folks never try "control" any museums. You cannot provide evidence of such a claim.

    And yes, Christians can blow their money on whatever they want. It is their right but I doubt most of what Christian organizations (AIG) etc spend their money on will be approved by the Lord.
     
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    For the record, it’s AiG.

    if you go to any natural history museum, they will tell you how many millions of years ago something was. The same with state parks and national parks. If you attend a Baptist church, you will hear old earth preached in the form of the gap theory, etc. Even Spurgeon was old earth. If you watch a TV show, you are going to hear old earth. Science books in both public schools and colleges and universities feature old earth. Against all that a tiny minority has a couple of museums in Kentucky. Do you feel threatened when you are in the majority about 9 to 1? I doubt it.
     
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    Another creation museum, this one in Florida near Fort Lauderdale:

     
  12. Scott Downey

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    Pretty clear the scripture says 6 days of creation, as in DAYS, not ages.
    And GOD did speak this,
    Exodus 20
    20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

    2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

    3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
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    8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

    11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
     
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