PreachTony
Hello PT,
Thanks for this response and solid question:thumbs:
First off....Cals believe this:thumbs:
In other words this is so clearly stated that any action, teaching, or any other question must start here. God has commanded all men everywhere to repent, they are responsible to live holy lives worshipping him everyday 24/7.
Before any other question is addressed this fact must be in evidence.
Any subsequent question will not overthrow this.
You are suggesting that God is a debtor to man? Does God have to ..."move" within them? men are responsible if God moves within them or not:thumbs:
PT, it is called MERCY and GRACE because God is not obligated to move on all men everywhere. He does not have to move on any man anywhere, except He has obligated Himself to His own Covenant promise.
It is a great verse .Cals have to deal with all the verses PT.
There are NOT going to be souls in hell who wanted to be in heaven on God's terms but were not allowed to.
I do not read where Noah beat people away from the doorway of the ark and did not allow them in.
Jesus preached and loved people more than anyone ever has, and depraved man hated and put Him to death.
If every person wanted to repent and believe the gospel in the next 47 minutes and believe it savingly.....God would not stop them PT.
The problem is man in unable and unwilling to do so.
In the words of one pastor...man has a bad record, and a bad heart.
No...they do not want to come, they are unwilling, and without the Spirit...unable to come.
Unless you are going to say that God must save every single person for whatever reason you suppose....you cannot make any such demand.:thumbs:
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The gathering here is not the effectual call at all. It is that no one who would come on God's terms would be cast away. These persons who would come do not exist however. That is why Jesus comments as he does showing men are fully responsible.
sad indeed...they have eternity to think about it.
A Question for Calvinust here (Part 2)
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Dec 26, 2014.
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way:thumbs:
You have seen this on tracts correct? they leave out,, All that the Father gives to me...shall come to me,,
Hey Steaver...does you wife need to have an engineer describe the specs of the car engine before she gets in, turns the key on, and drives to Weis Market?
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Reformed
Well posted here:applause: This is a main issue , perhaps the heart of it.No one wants to see it put this way.....but that is the teaching if consistent.
An Arminian who is inconsistent with this...is a Cal in training:thumbs:
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steaver
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Were we "not supposed to notice"???
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I answered you on Romans two
that its not speaking about Saved Gentiles at all if you really want me to open it up I'll do it for you and just embarrass you to show that you have no understanding whatsoever of what Romans two is talking about
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