God gave them a CD player, a tape player and the speakers to match. If we were to agree with what some have said, no preacher would use a mic!
accompaniment track
Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by TaterTot, Feb 19, 2005.
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I don't know Diane. I know some loud mouth preachers with or without a mic.
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Overstatement is always a bad argumentative technique. -
A microphone projects the voice of even the most soft spoken minister and a little twist of a dial can give his voice a depth that doesn't exist.
I thought I'd heard all the silly stuff there is to hear until I hear you say using music tracs is deceptive. Good Grief! -
Diane,
With a track, its the music of a bunch of unnamed studio musicians in Nashville somewhere 2 years earlier, not the music of anyone there in the service that day.
I think what GregLinscott posted is worth repeating...
(the bolding is mine, not Gregs)
Mike -
But its not like we are saying - this is US playing. I CAN and HAVE played in an orchestra, so no, its NOT deceptive. Matter of fact, I have directed one. And I have directed them playing my own music. So I am NOT trying to live out a lie. Would you all feel better if I just make a tape and then play it? Whats the diff??
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TaterTot,
There are unique situations where its perfectly OK to use them, and yours might very well be one of those times...but thats for another discussion I guess.
I wish I could be there to see your cantata...it'll probably be just wonderful.
In His Grace,
Mike -
Well, the whole thread has taken a very different track (pardon the pun) than intended. But as long as yall are enjoying yourselves...carry on.
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A piano is a man made object as is a tape player. Those who recorded the sound track were gifted by God and the song writers were gifted by God and wrote those notes in praise to Him.
I see nothing sinful or deceptive in using sound tracks, mic's, hearing aids for those who cannot hear the pastor, projection screens or other multi-media. With my poor eyesight, the large print on our projection screen is a blessing.
I also enjoy a more professional sound when our choir does big productions and think the sound tracks add to the experience. -
Are we really interested in being "professional" in church? Why not just be real? If you don't have the manpower, then don't do it. Why raise a standard and set an appetite for something?
I like mic's, hearing aids, projection screens, all of which help the live worship that is going on, or that is supposed to be going on. -
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Can't "simple" be real? Why, if we don't have the resources, should we create the illusion of an orchestra (or concert pianist, for that matter- fill in your instrumentalist here)? A track creates an artificial standard, and unreasonable expectations for those who would use and develop their talents on instruments.
Not that this is all about you, but since you used yourself as an example: with all your training and experience, shouldn't you be striving to develop the Body in your church, and encouraging the instrumentalists to use their meager abilities by allowing them to accompany you as you sing? If the only thing good enough for you are studio-quality musicians, what is that saying to the people in the pew about their adequacy to speak to themselves in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs?
BTW- I'm not trying to accuse you- just challenge you to see a different perspective. -
I do see what you are saying, and simplicity can alos be real. I also think simplixity is often beautiful. But its not the only way to go. But what you have stated still doesnt show how using an accompaniment track is "deceptive". As a personal ministry philosphy, I offer free lessons to anyone in the church who would like them. Competent church musicians are a resource running low, at least around here. My students do play in worship when they get a song ready, and they do accompany me when I sing or play the flute. But because they do that occasionally doesnt mean they are prepared to do it all the time. Does my allowing them to play every so often create the illusion that they are already accomplished pianists? It can, but its not deceptive. I see no difference in that and using a tape.
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I personally don't see pre-recorded music or "Canned" music, as my dad calls it, as being deceptive. If I EVER find that the members of my church do not know the difference between a tape being played and a live musician or musicians, then I am going to move my membership to church with a smarter congregation!
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Why are we so willing to overlook the gifting of God to the local church?
It is interesting how this just boils down to the absurd. We have people claiming that this is a matter of smarts. Someone else claims that someone is right so just move on. WE have others claim that this is no different than using mics. We have another claiming we should be professional in church. Are we even giving this any thought? -
I see striving for "professionalism" as being the same with striving for excellency. "Professionalism" to me, implies polish and skillfulnes.
I am a professional, and I cannot separate myself from that while in church. It's just part of who I am.
Besides, this issue will not keep either one of us out heaven, so its really a moot point anymay. -
And as for the opening post (there actually WAS one) - I found the tape.
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