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They don't if you are a government official or even a private citizen on government property. The ACLU is clearly anti-first amendment on the free exercise clause. </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed but would add, that they are anti Christian, and leave no stone unturned in their attempt to legislate Christianity out of this world, using whatever guise is at hand.

 

That reminds me of a dear departed Pastors wife years ago that was praying for the demise of a neighbor bent on destroying their little church. They lived long lives on little money and something like 80% of the offering went to missionaries.
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Well we can all start by not using any ACLU lawyers for our legal matters.By that I mean any lawyer who is a card carrying ACLU member.They do not protect the freedom of Christians.
Anti-Christian lawyers Union is a more appropriate name for them.

 

don't worry. he's already got it covered. (see: Revelation)

 

Government officials are not allowed to pass out Chick tracts with marriage license applications or lecture people on the joys of Mormonism to drivers registering their cars or have children thank Ganesh for their school lunches, while on duty. They can, however, read Chick tracts on their breaks, wear their magic garmies all day long or thank Ganesh for their own lunch - all on government property.

The ACLU does support the right of private citizens to practice their religion in their workplace.

For instance? Which cases do you believe prove this?

 

How and when have they done that? They have gone to court on behalf of citizen's right to free exercise of religion.

What, that you're not allowed to use your public position to bully underlings and applicants with your evangelising - pray with me that your applicant/promotion is approved? There is a conflicting right of others not to be coerced or subjected to your religious views.

Can you give an example of how you personally were restricted from practicing your religion openly and what the ACLU had to do with it?

 

You're mistaken; they do represent Christians when individual religious rights have been violated.

 

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It is beyond my comprehension how any Bible believing Christian (wait that is redundant) could offer support of any kind (financial, editorial, debated, etc.) to the ACLU. By their works, the initials should stand for Anti-Christian Litigators Union.

 

Wanting to remove copies of the Ten Commandments from government property. Wanting to remove prayers from before football games and during graduation ceremonies.

 

Wanting to remove copies of the Ten Commandments from government property. Wanting to remove prayers from before football games and during graduation ceremonies. </font>[/QUOTE]So you don't care about the rights of a student of a minority religion at their own graduation? Why not be inclusive rather than push sectarianism?

 

I don't support the tyranny of the minority, MP. No one is harmed by listening to a two minute prayer. No one is harmed by walking by a copy of the Ten Commandments.

What about my rights, MP? What about my rights?

 

I don't doubt that at all.

 

How are your rights violated by not having a statue of the Ten Commandents in the courthouse? How are your rights infringed by not hearing a two minuter prayer?

No one is saying you can't have your own personal statue of the 10 Cs on your front lawn. No one objects to your carrying a copy in your wallet. Who is telling you that you yourself cannot say a two minute prayer to God?

 

By not allowing my free exercise clause in the first amendment to be fulfilled because one person out of 6,000 at an event(if even that many) are allegedly "harmed".

If a person doesn't want to hear a prayer, he can cover his ears. If a person doesn't want to see a copy of the Ten Commandments, he can not look at it.

 

I still don't see how these things prevent you from freely practicing your religion. Does your religion really include erecting statues on public land or foisting your prayers on a captive audience?

 

By not allowing my free exercise clause in the first amendment to be fulfilled because one person out of 6,000 at an event(if even that many) are allegedly "harmed".

If a person doesn't want to hear a prayer, he can cover his ears. If a person doesn't want to see a copy of the Ten Commandments, he can not look at it. </font>[/QUOTE]If you don't want to see a Wiccan run naked at graduation, you can just close your eyes.

 

How does a student led prayer before a student body at a football game between students violate the "establishment" clause of the 1st Amendment?

There is no possible way a sane person could conclude that it is an attempt by the government to "establish" a religion.

 

carpro, if they do it as a small group with only those who wish to participate, it is fine. If they use the PA system and impose the prayer on the entire audience, it is not fine. This is using public moneys and venue to impose religion on all in attendance. Now if it is a private Christian school, that is also fine over the PA system.