After Sandy Hook we said never again and then we let 1,686 mass shootings happen

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  1. FollowTheWay Well-Known Member
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    Against contraception?
     
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    Trump said a lot of things in the campaign. On most of them he was lying to get votes. Where's the substance/
     
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    yes, against the ones that cause the baby to be murdered, such as the day after pill!
     
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    What did he lie about? He has tried to do what he said. Getting RINOs to get it done is llike herding cats.
     
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    Obama did EXACTLY the liberal agenda he told us he would do, you probably were Ecstatic, but Trump enacts His stated conservative moves, and you get peripatetic!
     
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    He promised to provide medical insurance for everyone that would be better and cheaper than Obamacare. That's called universal coverage and was also recommended by Bernie Sanders. Do you think there's any way he's going to do that?
     
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    see my comment in # 86.
     
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    He never promised universal coverage. The Rinos stalled out on his health care bill.
    Next point?
     
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    What parallel universe was this in? He never said such a thing.

    <throws down gauntlet>
     
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    As every politician lies to get votes, that is no point.
     
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    Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.832064bd1bfc


    President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

    Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — “lower numbers, much lower deductibles” — he said he is ready to unveil it alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).


    “It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said. He noted that he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to be confirmed. That decision rests with the Senate Finance Committee, which hasn’t scheduled a hearing.

     
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    This is the President-elect speaking not the candidate. Is it OK for the president to lie as well?
     
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    President Trump’s false promises on healthcare
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...president-trumps-false-promises-on-healthcare


    Lost amid the pundits’ applause for President Trump’s calmer demeanor in his speech to Congress Tuesday was a key shift that received far less national attention: the abandonment of promises made by candidate and President-elect Trump on healthcare.

    “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in press conference Jan. 11. “We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”

    Or, as he said in a September 2015 “60 Minutes” interview, “I am going to take care of everybody. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

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    But the principles the president outlined Feb. 28 throw all those lofty commitments under the bus — and they directly align him with a policy agenda long promoted by the most callous cheerleaders of the “repeal and replace” crowd, that would extinguish coverage and care for tens of millions of Americans and increase the health and economic insecurity of many who voted for this president.


    Instead of his prior guarantee that no one would lose coverage gained through the Affordable Care Act, Trump adopted the double speak offered by now Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price in his confirmation hearings, that Americans with pre-existing conditions will have “access” to coverage.

     
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    It ain't OK for anybody to lie, unless you mean to stretch out in a horizontal position. On second thought... there's Rahab, who made the Hall of Faith by lying (either definition).
     
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    You do realize that from a strictly Constitutional point of view, it is a little unfair to hold any President of the United States responsible for what LAWS the Congress passes or fails to pass.

    Did President Trump VETO a law that would have provided universal coverage?
    That would be an action that you could blame him for.

    It seems to me that Candidate Trump wanted to provide UNIVERSAL ACCESS to AFFORDABLE healthcare ... "a hand up, not a handout" mentality. President-elect Trump attempted to make good on that promise. President Trump discovered the reality that Congress wanted no part of it. (It seems that the Republicans wanted ObamaCare to fail more than they wanted to solve the problems or compromise and now the Democrats want Trump to fail more than they want to solve the problems or compromise.)
     
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    Hilarious! (I wish they still had the funny response.)

    Corrie Ten Boom, who hid Jews from the Nazis in her attic, would probably agree that "there is a season for everything" ... even lying.
     
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    Two things you miss.
    "Goal of" does not equal promise.
    RINOS (mainly John McCain) killed his bill.
    Your next point?
     
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    Whatever he tried to give to us, the Rhinos and the liberal Dems killed off, in order to keep us on rotten Obama care!
     
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    have top ask Obama abour that!
     
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    President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

    Also means also, right? So Trump VOWED to provide insurance for everybody.