An answer to the sinless day

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

No, I did not grow up around alcoholics.

And no, my dad was not a preacher either.

Even if either of the two had been true, I would not let them color my vision as you accuse.

My family had nothing to do with the conclusion I arrived at. It was the Word of God.

Maybe it is someone in your family, or your church, that is coloring your vision to believe a lie... ever think about that?

Jesus was the perfect sinless Son of God. Quit slandering Him and His sinlessness.

From your accusations, it seems it is all about you and not Scripture.

 

[gerald285]

You are correct. A person can and go a day without sin. it is a choice.

Your post is illogical and does not prove that one cannot be fully submitted to the hand of God for a 24 hour period of time.

 

[EdSutton]

You are correct. A person can and go a day without sin. it is a choice.

I believe I actually said 24 hours, but no matter.

How about 24 days? (Since I've already asked the question once, I will repeat it.) Would you make that claim?

Nah! Let's go one better. Let's try 24 weeks, almost half a year. Still game?

Even better yet, why not make it 24 years?

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

You are correct. A person can and go a day without sin. it is a choice.

Second post on this. Personally, I never said a person was not "fully submitted to Christ", whatever that means. Let's try this bit of exegesis from another post I posted on another thread, just before it was closed. You might take notice to what I have emboldened.

I will attempt to answer this on two fronts, first by quoting a short seven point summary I tend to agree with completely, although I would say it is, in itself, incomplete, as to what is sin.

Sin, Summary : The literal meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words variously rendered "sin," "sinner," etc. disclose the true nature of sin in its manifold manifestations. Sin is (1) transgression, an overstepping of the law, the divine boundary betweengood and evil (Ps. 51:1; Rom. 2:23); (2) iniquity, an act inherently wrong, whether expressly forbidden or not (Rom. 1:21-23); (3) error, a departure from right (Rom. 1:18; 1 Jn. 3:4); (4) missing the mark, a failure to meet the divine standard (Rom. 3:23); (5) trespass, the intrusion of self-will into the sphere of divine authority (Eph. 2:1); (6) lawlessness, or spiritual anarchy (1 Tim. 1:9); and (7) unbelief, an insult to the divine veracity (Jn. 16:9). ... (THE NEW SCOFIELD STUDY BIBLE, New King James Version, 1989 Edition, p. 1369)

I call attention to #4, missing the mark, the Greek word hamartanO (`αμαρτανω) and given its meaning of missing the divine standard, suggest that, IMO, I seriously doubt one can honestly say that one can meet this standard of God's perfection over a twenty-four hour period. And I think point two will support point one.

I agree that "walking in the Spirit" and "walking in the light" are the same. John (I assume John, although Scripture does not actually name an author, here) says this about "walking in the light."

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (I John 1:5-10, NKJV)

5και αυτη εστιν η επαγγελια ην ακηκοαμεν απ αυτου και αναγγελλομεν υμιν οτι ο θεος φως εστιν και σκοτια εν αυτω ουκ εστιν ουδεμια
6εαν ειπωμεν οτι κοινωνιαν εχομεν μετ αυτου και εν τω σκοτει περιπατωμεν ψευδομεθα και ου ποιουμεν την αληθειαν
7εαν δε εν τω φωτι περιπατωμεν ως αυτος εστιν εν τω φωτι κοινωνιαν εχομεν μετ αλληλων και το αιμα ιησου χριστου του υιου αυτου καθαριζει ημας απο πασης αμαρτιας
8εαν ειπωμεν οτι αμαρτιαν ουκ εχομεν εαυτους πλανωμεν και η αληθεια ουκ εστιν εν ημιν
9εαν ομολογωμεν τας αμαρτιας ημων πιστος εστιν και δικαιος ινα αφη ημιν τας αμαρτιας και καθαριση ημας απο πασης αδικιας
10εαν ειπωμεν οτι ουχ ημαρτηκαμεν ψευστην ποιουμεν αυτον και ο λογος αυτου ουκ εστιν εν ημιν (I John 1:5-10, TR 1550)

The force of the Greek in v. 7 is not entirely clear in our English language, due to the tense, for the English does not have any exact 'tense' correspondance to the Greek continuous/present, but must differentiate between the two. The force of verse seven is that of "If we (are) walk(ing) in the light (which is equal to 'walking in the spirit', as both you and I have said), ... the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us (or keeps on cleansing us) from all sin." Since both these words of "walk" and "cleanses" are the same continuous/present, both would cover the same "time frame". Why would the blood need to be continually cleansing from all sin, if one were not still 'sinning', even when walking with God? I suggest this is applicable to all of us, since the word "we" is plural. Any exegesis of this verse, that does not recognize the tenses, makes no sense at all, I would say.

"Walking in the spirit," is not equal to "walking without sin.", and nowhere does Scripture say otherwise, IMO.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=40043&page=13

This is from post # 122.

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

One cannot sin while walking with God, ed.

If it were possible to sin while walking with God, then Paul was lying when He told the church at Galatia to

"Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh".

 

[npetreley]

"Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh".

Second try:

"Fulfill the lusts" is not the same thing as "having lusts". Jesus said that if you lust after a woman, you have commited adultery with her in your heart. So just experiencing the lust is sin, whether or not you fulfill it.

But if you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, even if you can't help but experience them at times.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Second try:

"Fulfill the lusts" is not the same thing as "having lusts". Jesus said that if you lust after a woman, you have commited adultery with her in your heart. So just experiencing the lust is sin, whether or not you fulfill it.

But if you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, even if you can't help but experience them at times.

If one is walking in the Spirit, one is not going to entertain lustful thoughts. Walking in the Spirit is being about the Father's business, doing His will. If one is constantly about the Father's business, one will not lust.

Idle hands are the devil's workshop, but a heart that seeks to be in God's will will not sin.

 

[blackbird]

If one is walking in the Spirit, one is not going to entertain lustful thoughts. Walking in the Spirit is being about the Father's business, doing His will. If one is constantly about the Father's business, one will not lust.

Idle hands are the devil's workshop, but a heart that seeks to be in God's will will not sin.

Walking in the Spirit---is a walk in God's Perfect will

However---compare your two paragraphs here

The first says if one IS walking--doing His will

The second says that a heart that SEEKS to be in God's will will not sin

Seeking is not being in---see what I mean???

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Brother David.

I see what you are saying. Maybe I need to rephrase that. But the fact remains, when one is walking " IN THE SPIRIT" one will not sin. One is totally immersed in the things of God... hence, the word 'in'.

 

[webdog]

You are correct. A person can and go a day without sin. it is a choice.

If you can go one day...why not two...three...365?

 

[EdSutton]

If you can go one day...why not two...three...365?

Yeah I asked about why not 24 days, 24 weeks or 24 years, myself. I guess that must be too long to go without sinning, even for some who manage to do it for 24 hours!

Ed

 

[rbell]

I've got a great plan.

In a few months, I'm going on a mission trip to Eastern Europe.

With the flights and the time changes, I just have to go 16 hours without sinning. I gain 8 on the flights.

Woo hoo! That makes me so proud!

Dang! Pride. Now I gotta start over.

 

[npetreley]

I've got a great plan.

In a few months, I'm going on a mission trip to Eastern Europe.

With the flights and the time changes, I just have to go 16 hours without sinning. I gain 8 on the flights.

Woo hoo! That makes me so proud!

Dang! Pride. Now I gotta start over.

Wow, if you like flying as much as I do, travelling will definitely test your faith. The cool thing is that 8 hours will just disappear into a puff of time zones, and you can honestly say you didn't sin for those missing hours.

 

[rbell]

Wow, if you like flying as much as I do, travelling will definitely test your faith.

Used to love it. Hate it with a passion now. Lines, no leg room, 4 hours on a tarmac in a hot plane...yuk.

I'm considering swimming the Atlantic, just to avoid the flight.

Dang! I lied. Now I have to start over again.

 

[npetreley]

Used to love it. Hate it with a passion now. Lines, no leg room, 4 hours on a tarmac in a hot plane...yuk.

I'm considering swimming the Atlantic, just to avoid the flight.

Dang! I lied. Now I have to start over again.

I don't know if this is still true, but there was a time when you could use Google maps to get directions from New York to London. The directions would take you to a pier, then say "swim across the Atlantic", and then give you directions to London. It was pretty cute on the part of the Google folks to do that.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

it still works. Not only for london, but dublin, and other points.

and it does not necessarily have to be New York, it can be practically anywhere in the US.

 

[EdSutton]

it still works. Not only for london, but dublin, and other points.

and it does not necessarily have to be New York, it can be practically anywhere in the US.

Kinda' hard to start swimming from where I live, to any place. The crick's done run dry!

Ed

 

[Dale-c]

Dang! I lied. Now I have to start over again.

But at least you have the missing 8 hours.

How many hours would it take to swim?
That would sure minimize the jet lag anyway!

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Kinda' hard to start swimming from where I live, to any place. The crick's done run dry!

Ed

You can drive part of the way. Here is the directions from Greensboro:

4,967 mi (about 30 days 5 hours)
1. Head east on W McGee St toward Eugene Ct 200 ft
2. Turn right at S Eugene St 1.1 mi
3. Continue on S Elm-Eugene St 1.3 mi
4. Turn left to merge onto I-40 E/I-85-BR N/US-220 N/US-29 N/US-421 S/US-70 E toward US-421 S/Burlington
Continue to follow I-40 E 37.9 mi
5. Slight left at I-85 N
Entering Virginia 139 mi
6. Take the exit onto I-95 N toward Richmond 118 mi
7. Continue on I-395 N (signs for Washington/I-395 N/I-495/Tysons Corner) 0.7 mi
8. Take exit 170B to merge onto Capital Beltway/I-495 N toward Tysons Corner
Entering Maryland 29.8 mi
9. Take exit 27 to merge onto I-95 N toward Baltimore
Partial toll road
Entering Delaware 93.9 mi
10. Take the exit onto I-295 N toward New Jersey Turnpike/Del Memorial Bridge/NJ-NY
Entering New Jersey 6.5 mi
11. Continue on New Jersey Turnpike N
Partial toll road 123 mi
12. Continue on I-95 N
Partial toll road
Passing through New York
Entering Connecticut 71.3 mi
13. Take exit 48 on the left to merge onto I-91 N toward Hartford 36.8 mi
14. Take exit 29 to merge onto CT-15 N/US-5 N toward I-84/E Hartford/Boston
Continue to follow CT-15 N 2.1 mi
15. Merge onto I-84 E
Partial toll road
Entering Massachusetts 40.7 mi
16. Take the exit onto I-90 E/Massachusetts Turnpike/Mass Pike toward N.H.-Maine/Boston
Partial toll road 56.0 mi
17. Take exit 24 A-B-C on the left toward I-93 N/Concord NH/S Station/I-93 S/Quincy 0.4 mi
18. Merge onto Atlantic Ave 0.8 mi
19. Turn right at Central St 0.1 mi
20. Turn right at Long Wharf 0.1 mi
21. Swim across the Atlantic Ocean
Entering France 3,462 mi
22. Slight right at E05
Go through 1 traffic circle 0.6 mi
23. Turn right at E05/Quai Colbert
Continue to follow E05 5.7 mi
24. Take the exit onto A29/E44 toward Amiens
Partial toll road 27.8 mi
25. Take the exit toward Dieppe/Amiens/Calais/A151/Rouen
Toll road 1.1 mi
26. Merge onto A29
Toll road 22.6 mi
27. Take the exit onto A28
Partial toll road 45.6 mi
28. Take the exit onto A16 toward Boulogne/Calais
Partial toll road 63.7 mi
29. Take exit 42 0.6 mi
30. Slight right 1.0 mi
31. Turn right 0.4 mi
32. Turn right 0.2 mi
33. Take the Dover Folkestone - Calais Frethun train to Folkstone
Entering United Kingdom (England) 34.2 mi
34. Continue straight 0.3 mi
35. Slight right toward M20 1.6 mi
36. Merge onto M20 via the ramp to London/Ashford 47.2 mi
37. At junction 1, exit toward C.London/A2 1.3 mi
38. Merge onto M25 4.4 mi
39. Continue on A282 (signs for A282/Dagenham/A13/M11/M1)
Partial toll road 3.2 mi
40. Continue on M25 (signs for Watford/Southend/M11/M1/A127) 39.7 mi
41. At junction 21, exit onto M1 62.5 mi
42. At junction 19, exit onto M6 toward Coventry (North)/Birmingham 22.7 mi
43. At junction 3a, exit toward B'ham/M42/M5 0.3 mi
44. Merge onto M6 24.2 mi
45. Take the exit onto M6 179 mi
46. Continue on A74
Entering Scotland 6.3 mi
47. At junction 22, take the A75/B7076 exit to Dumfries/Stranraer/Gretna 0.5 mi
48. Merge onto A75 20.9 mi
49. At the traffic circle, take the 2nd exit and stay on A75
Go through 4 traffic circles 5.2 mi
50. At Garroch Roundabout, take the 3rd exit and stay on A75
Go through 1 traffic circle 7.3 mi
51. Turn right at A712/Maiden Row
Continue to follow A712 14.3 mi
52. Turn right at A713 312 ft
53. Turn left at A712 0.7 mi
54. Turn right at A712/The Queen's Way
Continue to follow A712 17.2 mi
55. Turn right at A75 1.0 mi
56. At the traffic circle, take the 2nd exit and stay on A75 23.8 mi
57. Turn right at A77/Stair Dr 0.1 mi
58. Turn left at A717/Cairnryan Rd
Continue to follow A717 0.2 mi
59. At the traffic circle, take the 5th exit 0.2 mi
60. Turn left 0.3 mi
61. Take the Stranraer - Belfast ferry to Belfast
Entering Northern Ireland 52.9 mi
62. Continue straight onto W Bank Rd 0.2 mi
63. Turn left toward Dargan Rd 0.2 mi
64. Turn right at Dargan Rd 0.9 mi
65. At Fortwilliam Roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto A2/Fortwilliam Onslip heading to Shore Rd 0.3 mi
66. Slight left at A2 0.8 mi
67. Turn right at B126/N Queen St
Continue to follow B126 1.0 mi
68. Slight right to stay on B126 125 ft
69. Turn right at B88/Frederick St
Continue to follow B88 282 ft
70. Continue on B126/Carrick Hill
Continue to follow B126 0.4 mi
71. Slight left at Divis St 43 ft
72. Continue on College Ave 0.1 mi
73. Slight right at B503/College Square E 279 ft
74. Turn left at A1/Wellington Pl
Continue to follow A1 0.2 mi
To: Belfast
UK

Warning: Thirty days of swimming may tire you out and is not endorsed by me or any of those of my household!

 

[EdSutton]

You can drive part of the way. Here is the directions from Greensboro:
Warning: Thirty days of swimming may tire you out and is not endorsed by me or any of those of my household!

I have actually been to the site, before, and have commented on it where it was posted in the humor thread. However, one posted that you could swim to Europe from "practically anywhere" in the US. Simply not so.

Ed