An answer to the sinless day

[Dale-c]

Tell you what Dale, if you give me the name of your home town, I can get some of my doctor colleagues to set you up with an appointment with an Optometrist there.

That is ok, I know a good one already, He happens to be a presbyterian and of course a calvinist. You would not like him at all. I have visited his church and they have real wine for communion every sunday and his pastor like to discuss doctrine over a cold beer

 

[EdSutton]

Either way, you grape-juice folks are the ones who are insinuating or saying plainly that those of us who disagree with you are unsaved. So you are incorrect to claim that HBwhatever & company haven't made such allegations. In fact, you're making them, too. You're dancing around the issue to make it seem like you're not saying it plainly, but it's obvious that's your opinion.

I am, I beleve, about as far apart from some of the views of what His Blood Spoke My Name, and some others who have similar views could be, but that is not why I post this.

The "crack" of calling the poster "HBwhatever" is uncalled for IMO, especially after the admonition Dr. Bob gave, earlier in this thread.

Ed

 

[Diggin in da Word]

That is ok, I know a good one already, He happens to be a presbyterian and of course a calvinist. You would not like him at all. I have visited his church and they have real wine for communion every sunday and his pastor like to discuss doctrine over a cold beer

The pastor, if he drinks wine, allows wine in the communion, allows the parishoners to drink alcohol beverages and likes to drink beer must not be reading the Word of God with an open heart to the truth about alcohol.

 

[Dale-c]

The pastor, if he drinks wine, allows wine in the communion, allows the parishoners to drink alcohol beverages and likes to drink beer must not be reading the Word of God with an open heart to the truth about alcohol.

Quite the contrary.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Dale,

Post Scriptures to prove without a doubt that alcohol is allowed, instead of saying 'Quite the contrary'.

Quite the Contrary does not mean anything if God's Word is not give to back it up.

 

[npetreley]

The "crack" of calling the poster "HBwhatever" is uncalled for IMO, especially after the admonition Dr. Bob gave, earlier in this thread.

My apologies. I meant no disrespect but I'm a fast touch typist and it was easier to type that than HBSMN. I think you're being overly sensitive, though. I have people calling me nept all the time (inept?), and it doesn't bother me. From here out I'll just say hbs or something.

 

[EdSutton]

Lets stick to the topic

And let me add a scripture that covers us all

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not"

HomeSkillets----there's the command--no two doubts about it--we are commanded NOT to sin.

But Romans 3:23 includes us, too because God's mind dwells in the eternal infinite world where He reads every thought and every imagination of the mind---and He knows our minds are not yet dwelling in a state of immortality---and He knows sure as we're sitting here that by and by---we're gonna BLOW that command that commands us NOT to sin

And thats why He has made provision---cause see---I don't know if I can make it 24 hours or 24 days or 24 months or the next 24 seconds before the carnal mind that still dwells in me will rear up its ugly head and I sin

He tells us NOT to sin

BUT read on to the end of the sentence of verse 1 of I John 2

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous."

If I sin---I have an advocate!!! When I confess that sin according to I John 1:9---He(the Lord Jesus Christ) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

When I confess that sin----its as if the Lord Jesus looks at His Father and says----"Father!!! David just confessed that(such and such)sin----Father!!!!!! I've got him covered!!!!

He tells me not to sin(thats the Father's perfect will)----but if I do(and remember---just one little impure thought---some little speck of unkindness toward someone in my heart)---I confess that sin--repent of it---and throw myself at Jesus' feet---He's got me covered!!!

Now---if you reckon you can go on and on and on and on in a sinless state----fine and dandy---that just tells me---well---you don't need Jesus as your advocate---but I promise you on the authority of the Scripture---that IF you do sin---you're gonna need an advocate!!! Just remember---IJohn 2:1 gives you one!!! Amen?????

One question and one point for Blackbird, please.

1. Who or what is "Home Skillets"? I looked back some pages in this thread without finding a poster with that mooniker, but will fully admit I could have missed it.

2. Where does any verse in I John in context say anything about "repent of (sin)"? It says "confess it", as I read it. In fact, John (if the assumed author of the Gospel and the three epistles generally attributed to him, is actually John, since Scripture does not actully give a name in any of his supposed writings, save The Revelation) never uses the word "repent" in any form in either the Gospel or the three epistles. To attempt to 'write in" repent in this verse seems to be eisegesis, not exegesis, IMO.

Note: The above emboldenment is meant to highlight the two points, not to "raise my voice" via this.

Ed

 

[npetreley]

Dale,

Post Scriptures to prove without a doubt that alcohol is allowed, instead of saying 'Quite the contrary'.

Quite the Contrary does not mean anything if God's Word is not give to back it up.

The fact is, scripture calls wine wine, except when it uses the expression "given to wine", which means "drunken" (paroinos). The word when the context clearly means wine with alcohol is "oinos". The word where you want it to mean grape juice is "oinos".

You rationalize away the fact that it's the same word by saying that "oinos" can mean wine or grape juice, depending on the context.. Then you apply your personal opinion on the subject as the context. If it's okay to drink, then it must mean grape juice. If it's not okay (as in "much wine") then it must have alcohol.

The actual scriptural context OFTEN demands the interpretation wine. The context NEVER demands the interpretation grape juice. You make it mean grape juice because you don't want Jesus drinking wine.

You want to believe that, fine. Unlike you, I don't judge you one way or another. I don't think your salvation hinges on it one way or another. But you're never going to prove that the context demands grape juice except in your own mind.

 

[EdSutton]

Ah, so he's living in victory and prosperity.

:laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Amen, bro. If they kick you, please kick me, too. We baldies have to stick together.

Be careful about what you post or say. I am also balding, after Chemo. I just pray that all yours is 'genetic', not illness related. :1_grouphug:

Ed

 

[npetreley]

Be careful about what you post or say. I am also balding, after Chemo. I just pray that all yours is 'genetic', not illness related. :1_grouphug:

Ed

I'm sorry to hear that! So far it's genetic. I'll pray you gain back a full head of hair along with your health. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[EdSutton]

Neither. If you fall off of a tight rope, it is the same distance to the ground no matter which side you fall off of.

Not necessarily on topic, but good point, nonetheless.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

As to the question "imported", albeit unspoken in the OP, to this thread of "Can one go 24 hours without sinning?" and given the response of some that it is possible, why not expand the time to 24 days, 24 weeks or 24 years? What is the time limit that is possible, given Scriptures that speak of our need to "confess our sins', etc.?

The question is not "Will one go 24 hours without sinning?" It would seem that some one should have an easy answer to this.

Why not 24 years? I fail to see what the difference would be.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

I'm sorry to hear that! So far it's genetic. I'll pray you gain back a full head of hair along with your health. Not necessarily in that order.

Thank all of you, once again, for the prayers. I seem to be recovering, fairly well, according to what we know. The cancer was seemingly providentially caught very early, and clinically, I now show no signs of any, but it is still early in that.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

The pastor, if he drinks wine, allows wine in the communion, allows the parishoners to drink alcohol beverages and likes to drink beer must not be reading the Word of God with an open heart to the truth about alcohol.

Does the word "alcohol" ever occur in Scripture? Just wonderin'.

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

The word itself does not, Ed. But one cannot get drunk from drinking grape juice. The only wine one can get drunk on is fermented wine.

There is both fermented and unfermented wine in the Word of God. Context will show which.

That which is the poison of dragons is not that which makethe glad the hearts of men.

Two different wines

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

edited by poster.

will start new thread so as to not hijack this one.

 

[EdSutton]

I apologize for commenting on the baldness bit, since I was not wanting to hijack any thread. Others do that enough, IMO, so I don't have to invest any time in so doing.

Ed

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I used to have extra-long chestnut brown hair, with auburn highlights. Even kept a pony tail. But the chemo I went thru changed everything. God gave me my health, but took my beautiful hair.

 

[npetreley]

There is both fermented and unfermented wine in the Word of God. Context will show which.

As I said, in so many words, your judgement of context is based on circular reasoning. You start with the assumption that Jesus wouldn't drink wine, and use that as your "context" as to whether you should interpret "oinos" to mean wine or grape juice.

That which is the poison of dragons is not that which makethe glad the hearts of men.

How would you know? Did you grow up around alcoholics? That colored your viewpoint. Did you grow up in a family of people who never touched wine, and you never touched it either? Then you wouldn't know. Did you grow up with people who drank a glass of wine now and then and it didn't bother them? Then why didn't you learn from the experience?

It's all about you, not scripture.