I know webdog.
Webdog is a friend of mine.
You sir, are no webdog.
(..and webdog is no liberal)
:tongue3: :laugh:
Andy Stanley
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, May 1, 2012.
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Have you listened to the whole sermon? -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It is not love to allow profane people in the assembly, Paul says put them out that they do not leaven the whole lump...1 cor 5 -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/05/01/is-the-megachurch-the-new-liberalism/ -
IC, I said Mohler's tweet (twitter) response to Warren.
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Andy Stanley:
"We are requesting that everyone watch the entire series: Christian. It concludes this Sunday. It's 8 parts. That's a lot of content to wade through. But I figure that's better than a sound bite or an interview."
http://global.christianpost.com/new...to-questions-over-homosexuality-stance-74262/
I understand where people are coming from. It seems by his emphasis of the adultery that he was ignoring the homosexual part. If he believes that homosexuality is wrong, why bother speaking about the adultery? The homosexuality would cause them not to be eligible to serve regardless of the one still being married.
So far, this is all I've seen from Stanley about the issue. Maybe he will clear things up in the 8th part.
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It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Christians , not knowing the bible leads to watered down ,touchy feely garbage like these mega churches put out. Unrepentant sodomites are not in God's church...especially those who should be excommunicated.
Your statement above is a direct contradiction to biblical teaching. if you would read your bible you will see this:
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Icon, agree with you here. It is not loving to accept and wait while fellowshipping as brothers while they are in open sin. Go and sin no more still means just what Jesus meant when He said it.
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Preachingjesus and QF.....are not seeing these verses correctly. We have a responsibility to put these people out.....in the hopes they will repent.
This is the biblical teaching. Anything else...is not the biblical teaching
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I also reject your limited read of 1 Corinthians 5. Notice what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5:10 "I did not mean the immoral people of this world or the greedy and swindlers or idolaters; otherwise you would have to leave the world." Notice here the qualification from Paul. In our churches the world comes in. Well at least in the churches who are growing and care about bringing the Gospel to people. The reality is that even in your church you will have people who come in who are homosexuals, adulterers, racists, corrupt business people, theives, etc. What Paul's larger concern is how we welcome them into 1) membership and 2) leadership.
It is abundantly clear that we are to be careful about who is accepted into those two categories. What good is excommunication in a society that seeks grace? It does nothing and only reinforces the idea that the Church seeks to harm rather than help. We shouldn't be surprised that sinners don't understand our standards. We shouldn't be surprised they live outside of our standards Until they can see our grace and receive the charge of holiness imbedded in the Gospel then we cannot expect them to understand why they should live in a certain moral way.
Thus, when they show up to church we should be happy they are there. These sinners, as craven as they might be, are going out of their way to hear the Gospel and be convicted by the Holy Spirit. We should welcome them to hear such an opportunity. However, we should also be unremitting in our standards for membership and leadership.
To sit in judgment of people who are outside of grace is to assume the mantle of hypocrisy given to pharisees. We should never be about that. Our obligation is to present the grace of Christ to people who need to hear it and especially when they walk into our doors and communities.
Paul, and the rest of the NT, has no problem with the unrepentant who come into the doors of the church...the problem lies in the members and believers who should know better. This is the emphasis in Paul's exhortation in 1 Corinthians 5.
Notice his closing in 1 Cor 5:12, "For what have to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside church whom you are to judge?" When Paul speaks of "church" here (and elsewhere) he is not speak of individual assemblies but the larger, broader Church or the Body of Christ...that is believers. -
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