Anyone willing to help found a NEW Christian nation?

[LadyEagle]

I've been reading WND since 1997 and I can't recall an instance where one of their stories was debunked.

Agree, Jeff!

I usually double check stories, though, and have my "in case" links stashed away mainly because of expected flack from Johnv(

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who calls it World NUT Daily. (Uh, oh, now you know my little secret.)

It still is the #1 Conservative News Site on the Web & I check it and Drudge daily, LOL!

 

[Johnv]

Alas, I must confess, I'm not the originator of "World Nut Daily". Someone else on the BB called it that first, and I followed their lead. Ah well, Bell didn't invent the telephone either, and look where it got him.

Originally posted by JeffM:
I've been reading WND since 1997 and I can't recall an instance where one of their stories was debunked.

There have been a few that were posted here that contained misleading information, which I rebutted. Of course, I've done the same with other stories as well, so I'm not on a WND hunt. Just a hunt to "get the whole picture". Who among us doesn't want the whole picture.

 

[LadyEagle]

Okay, latest from WND today:

ChristianExodus.org has been inundated with e-mails this week, receiving staunch messages of support, as well as requests for more information, and even some vicious verbal attacks. A sampling of letters collected by the website includes:


"I want to welcome each and every Christian to my home state [of South Carolina] to live in love the way my Lord Jesus Christ intended for us to live." (Fred)

"I find the concept of an independent Christian state interesting, but I am curious about who qualifies as a Christian. As a Sabbath-keeping, Torah-observant Christian, would I have the same rights and freedoms as the average Baptist? Must one be trinitarian to be a citizen?" (Mary Jane)

"Go [expletive] yourselves. You [expletives] are no better than the Islamic fundementalist b------- that hold 99 percent of Middle Eastern nations in an iron grip." (Name withheld)
Additionally, WorldNetDaily has received numerous e-mails expressing strong sentiments both in favor and against the proposal. Among them:


"I'm willing [to move], if this is a serious undertaking." (Shirley)

"The idea of forming another country had been one which I had thought of myself, and seems to be the only feasible way to bring back the moral foundation of this country. ... I was hoping this presidential term would be a turning point in bringing back some of that moral foundation, but it has proven otherwise, there are just too many opposing forces. (Jeff Clarke)

"Talk about giving the 'left' a weapon from our weakness! These Christians are asking the state that started the Civil War to leave the U.S., and start a new country? With ideas like this, we won't need a devil." (Peter Ward)

"How about the entire U.S. homosexual and lesbian population moves to Utah and then turn Utah into an independent 'Gay Republic'? How about the entire U.S. black population moves to Michigan and then turn Michigan into an independent 'Black Republic'? How about the entire U.S. atheist population moves to California and then turn California into an independent 'Atheist Republic'?
"Those 'Christian secessionists' are just not thinking properly. Their heads are just as muddled as the rest of the citizens. They should be arrested for high treason against the USA. ... An independent 'Christian state' where the vast majority of the 'Christian' population is prayerless and continues to be addicted to TV entertainment is far from being the solution. (James Chai)


"If I am not mistaken, this country was founded for religious reasons and look what we have become. The Mormons tried forming their own nation, in Utah and it led to war. The anti-religious folks would never tolerate another religious colony anywhere in the U.S. We are free in name only." (Name withheld)

"While I don't think a state leaving the union is a good idea, I think a strong effort might help those in government realize how serious the situation is. Another strategy might be to get all conservative churches and Christians very organized to change federal and state governments. The federal government cannot enforce a law under massive civil and state disobedience. Remember Prohibition?" (John)

The article says as well, there have been so many hits on this web site & response has been so overwhelming, they had to expand their bandwidth, LOL.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So what happens if I become a citizen of this Christian nation? What will the political parties be?

The Fighting Fundamentalist Party
The Gifts are for Today Party
The Grace Party
The Works Party
The Infant Baptism Party
The Dispensationalist Party
The Reformed Party
The Southern Baptist Party

And would we allow Catholics in?

In case you can't tell, IF this is a serious idea, it is one of the most ludicrous ones we have come up with in a LONG time.

 

[rsr]

Sayest thou it not be so, C4K. Wot not the working of the Spirit within the parties of politicks? Yea, ye shall see the coming of the annointed, and that right soon. And if ye shall disagree with me about his identify, so shall ye be condemned.

God forbid, but that it is manifest that the Party of the Baptists Who Meet on First Day yet Do not Get Bent out of Shape with Those Who Believe Otherwise shall gain ascendancy, but their day shall be brief; for there soon shall arise another party that shall insist that the Sabbath is indeed the Seventh day, and not only that, that those who shall break it shall be sneered at; not only that, they shall be caused to be laughed at and called silly names. And others shall say that, yes, the First-Day Baptists are correct, but they are seriously deficient on other vital doctrines and must recant their infamy straightway.

But behold, there is more; the parties shall disagree and decide that, lo, silly names are not meet to the Kingdom and shall decide that ALL their precepts should be understood as the true order of faith; and thus it would come to pass that a man shall not do anything, lest he risk the judgement of the Law; or, on the other hand, should do everything he liketh, for there is no way under the sun that he should do good.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I will move when the Independent, Fundamental, Pre-Millennial, Pre-Tribulational, KJV (but not only), Progressive Dispensational, First Day Worship, Close Communion, Non-smoking, Non-drinking, Conservative Music, Traditional Worship, Women's Hat Freedom, Predestinarian - Free Will (since I haven't got that one totally figured out yet ), People Who Agree With Me Only Baptist Republic is established.

Anyone want to help?

Oh yeah, I have to be president/pastor

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[Ed Edwards]

If will be dogcatcher with you, Brother
Christ4Kildare. I'll catch any stray
or carismatic dogs, yessirreebob!

 

[Marcia]

The Mormons and the Oneness people might want to join because they consider themselves Christians, too.


Christ4Kildare, loved your list of the "parties!"

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Marcia:
The Mormons and the Oneness people might want to join because they consider themselves Christians, too.


Christ4Kildare, loved your list of the "parties!"

Don't forget the 144,000 Jehovha's Witnesses (JW) who are going
to make it to heaven

 

[Bro. James Reed]

I think having a nation with the underlying belief that God exists and is in control would be great.

That is the basic belief that this country was founded upon. Unfortunately, our freedom to worship as we so choose has been perverted to be interpreted as the government can make no acknowledgement of God at all. That is IMO the idea motivating this movement.

I'm in agreement that, while this movement can not prevail, it may just stir up enough people to work to change our own country back to the way it used to be before the government stepped in.

As the 1st Amendment says, Congress shall make no laws regarding the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof. Unfortunately, the courts have decided for the people that the government as a whole may not even acknowledge the very existence of the God who inspired the founding of this country.

Here's what I want:
1. The Ten Commandments may again be legally posted in all government buildings, federal, state, and local, as well as in schools.
2. Bible reading may again be done in schools and in public buildings without fear of prosecution from the non-religious few.
3. Prayer may again be led at public venues, in public buildings, at schools and school functions, and may be led by government employees, officials, and school leaders.

These are not too much to ask. After all, they were considered the norm in this country for over 150 years after its official founding. No one was forced to convert. What is the problem?

I'm all for separation of church and state, even though such language is not to be found in the Constitution, but acknowledging the existince and power of God is not establishing a national religion. In a national religion, all citizens would be required to become members of that religion. I do not see that ever happening in the history of this country and that is something that we would not put up with in the same way we will not put up with a Godless country being made of our own.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Are you also willing to allow the posting of sections of the Quran to be posted and Islamic pray calls to be announced in the public schools?

The prayers you mention; must they be Christian prayers or will any prayer do?

 

[LadyEagle]

Christian. Since this was once a Christian nation, not Islamic. Never used to be an issue.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This was a secular nation founded on Christian principles.

Our founders were wise enough to write a totally secular constitution.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

C4K, LadyEagle is right. Do you really think the founders would have had a muslim cleric opening the legislative sessions or the Supreme Court docket in prayer to allah?

My point is that the issue over religion and the 1st amendment was not about Christians versus Jews versus Muslims versus Buddhists, etc. It was to keep the government from declaring one form of Christianity as the State Religion over another as had been done in England and most other European Countries.

The founders took for granted that there would be so much religion-mixing in this country in the future. It was just understood that God is God and there was no God besides Him. The amendment was in part meant to keep government from forcing people to believe a certain way, and more accurately a specific Christian denomination, e.g. Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Puritanism, Church of England, CHURCH OF AMERICA, etc.

The sooner people understand that this is what was meant in the state/religion clause the better off we'll be.

Let Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus etc worship as they see fit, but also let them know that this country recognizes God as the only God, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, the God of Moses, the God of Jesus.

The very word religion used to signify different sects of beliefs, whereas the word denomination is more widely used today.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:
Do you really think the founders would have had a muslim cleric opening the legislative sessions or the Supreme Court docket in prayer to allah?

Would the founders have had a Catholic, Lutheran, Jew or Mormon?

Would the founding fathers have had a Black man or Asian man, or a woman?

Yet they had people who lead prayer who were slave owners, adulterers, fornicators, and wife beaters.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Christian.

Whose idea of Christian? The government's?

 

[LadyEagle]

The Bible's.

 

[Matt Black]

Interpreted according to whom?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[Marcia]

In the area where I live, most people are not Christians (95% of the people in Arlington County do not attend any church). We also have large numbers of Muslims, Buddhists, and some Hindus here. Bible reading would never be allowed or desired here. A lot of them live in the apartment complex where I live. If they were to allow Bible reading, they would also have Koran reading, reading of New Age teachings, Buddhist readings, etc.

The U.S. is more and more like this, especially in larger towns and cities. Christians need to face up to this and see this as a mission field brought to our doorstep, but forcing prayer and the Bible on people is not the way to witness.

 

[Marcia]

I forgot to add they would also want the Book of Mormon read. There is a big population of Mormons here -- the Wash. DC area has the largest number of Mormons in one area east of the Rockies.