Why is Coccieus (seventeenth century) the Father of covenant theology then?
Peter and the author of Hebrews never spiritualized the covenant promise of land to Abraham (ie the Jews), why do you?
You need to read more church history. Try Irenaeus, or Hippolytus, post 70AD, who explicitly teaches that the seventieth week of Daniel is yet future.
What about Matthew 24:20? Do you pray that your flight may not be on the sabbath or in the winter? I thought Paul taught we weren't to observe the Sabbath (Colossians)...
Apocalyptic as literary genre and interpreting Revelation
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Mar 5, 2017.
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Heb. 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man..... read on
Heb. 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
1 Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ......
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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Exo. 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
You need to study the Bible more carefully.
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According to Berkhof, the covenant of works was in Eden between God an Adam. "This covenant enabled Adam to obtain eternal life for himself and for his descendants in the way of obedience” (Berkhof, p. 215). And the covenant of grace is described thusly by Berkhof: “The covenant of Grace may be defined as that gracious agreement between the offended God and the offending but elect sinner, in which God promises salvation through faith in Christ, and the sinner accepts this believingly, promising a life of faith and obedience” (Berkhof, p. 277; italics in original).
Neither of these covenants is mentioned or even referred to implicitly (much less explicitly) in any of the passages you mentioned. They do not exist in Scripture. -
"Premillennialism was extensively held in the Early Church... But the stress which many of its advocates placed on earthly rewards and carnal delights aroused widespread opposition to it: and it was largely replaced by the "spiritual view" of Augustine" (Oswald Allis, great advocate of Amillennialism).
Just because we get to be kings and priests doesn't mean that God has abrogated His Abrahamic land covenant with the Jews. Since you were just preaching on "explicit" teachings of the Word of God: can you find for me anywhere in the scriptures, where it is explicitly stated that God cancelled His Abrahamic land promise to the Jews? Hebrews 8 & 10, Acts 15, Galatians 3 and etc. never "explicitly" state that God cancelled His (unconditional) covenant made with Abraham and his descendants (the Jews): this abrogation doctrine is imposed by covenant theologians. And, these passages, which covenant theologians love to refer to, are not without comments and interpretations by the dispensational side. George Peters' Theocratic Kingdom, Proposition 50, should be looked into by any serious covenantal theologian looking for a dispensational interpretation and rebuttal of said passages.
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I don't agree with Berkhof. -
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"Pray that your flight [from earthly Jerusalem, a place of little relevance for Christians] may not be in winter or on a Sabbath [a day of little or no relevance for Christians]" (NET). -
Like it best as speaking to all generations of Christians, but that there is a specific fulfillment that will be summed up at the end of the AGE, when Jesus returns... -
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But if you don't agree with Berkhof, you shouldn't call your beliefs covenant theology, because that's exactly what he was teaching. Maybe you should delineate yourself as New Covenant Theology instead, since it also rejects the un-Biblical covenants of CT. -
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Historic premillennialists such as you referenced were not dispensational.
Premillennialism is the historic view of the church fathers, and is rightly considered ancient. Dispensationalism is, on the other hand, of relatively late origin.
Virtually all dispensationalists are premillennial but all premillennialists are not dispensationalists (at least not in the classic sense). -
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