As jesus and His Apsotles said the time for both heaven and hell same, everlasting, eternal?
Aren't BOTh heavena nd Hell described in eternal terms?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Yeshua1, Jan 27, 2014.
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"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul - but rather fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND Soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28
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Jedi Knight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Jude 7 - Sodom and Gomorrah exhibited as examples for all to see - of undergoing the "punishment" of everlasting fire.
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destroying, utter destruction
of vessels
a perishing, ruin, destruction
of money
the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell
Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary
Destroyed/ruined does NOT mean burnt up, but as in away from God, eternity without Him! -
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Mark 9:47 ...it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. -
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NetChaplain Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Hell is a place which will be cast into "the lake of fire (Rev 20:14). There's no doubt concerning the eternality of the "lake of fire," and considering the eternal expressions of Hell in Scripture, I do not find it unreasonable to assume that Hell will continue to exist in the eternal lake of fire, as will the remnant of its residency.
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But Fiery Hell (Gehenna) is the term used by other writers for the Lake of Fire event of Rev 20 and as Matt 10:28 says this is where God will "destroy both body and soul".
Jude 7 - the perfect viewable example "exhibited' for all to see - is Sodom and Gomorrah "undergoing the PUNISHMENT of eternal (everlasting) fire).
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Originally Posted by BobRyan
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul - but rather fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND Soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28
Matt 10
28 ""Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna: Fiery Hell).
Luke 12
4 ""I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.
5 ""But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Luke 17:29
but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )
Jude
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal (everlasting) fire.
2 Peter 2:6
and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
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Likewise Gehenna: It is used 12 times in the NT. Nine times it is translated as Hell; three times as "hell fire."
Sheol is a Hebrew word, and has a completely different meaning. We are not speaking of Hebrew words here which can have a legitimate meaning of "grave" at times.
God is able and God will to the unsaved in the sense of separate the unsaved from God's presence for all eternity. That is destruction; eternal destruction. It is like the burning bush. What did Moses see? A bush that was in a continual state of destruction and yet always alive. The tree was never consumed. It remained alive. The second resurrection will take place. They will have a resurrected body. It will be cast into the lake of fire in a place of eternal torment, but never be consumed. Always alive, but never consumed by the fire--just like the burning bush. -
NetChaplain Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I present it like this because Hell cannot be thrown into Hell, i.e. in Luke 16:23 the rich man was in fire, which will go into a separate fire, described as a "lake." -
In Acts 2 - Hades is where David is "still" while Christ is "not left there".
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Matt 10
28 ""Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna: Fiery Hell).
Luke 12
4 ""I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.
5 ""But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
Luke 17:29
but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )
Jude
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal (everlasting) fire.
2 Peter 2:6
and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; -
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
--Hell does not deliver up annihilated souls. It delivers up those who are being tormented there to be sentenced to an eternity of torment in the Lake of Fire. That is where the rich man (of the rich man and Lazarus) will end up--from Hell to the Lake of Fire. There is no mention of ashes.
Being separated from God for all eternity is the "destruction" being spoken of. It is a spiritual destruction.
same as above
So do many other Scriptures.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The unsaved of those city are in hell never to live (spiritually) again.
Death is separation. Eternal death is eternal separation from God. This is the destruction that they will face--an eternal state of separation from God in a resurrected body. -
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
Christ in one night and day suffered eternal hell in the eternal Kingdom of his Father and "IN IT", ETERNALLY, "TRIUMPHED": in Gethsemane's night and day of Golgotha.
The wicked lost HAVE NO IDEA "the anxiety unto death" prepared and waiting for them!
Hell's length will be its depth, breadth and width by its intensity: ETERNAL.
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Thus some suffer comparatively little while others suffer more. Some burn for a few moments others for days would be an "example" of it.
yet for all it will be true that God will "destroy BOTH body and soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28.
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