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  1. Alofa Atu

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    Yes, Robycop3, a global, not local event. Today men gather through video, phone, internet, etc. The United Nations represents all the kings (Ten) of the earth and they sit upon the 7th Head.

    Yes, the battles are on earth, and I never stated, implied otherwise. Yes, all the wicked who ever lived (being resurrected at that time) will in the 3rd advent, at the end of the 1,000 years will indeed surround New Jerusalem on the Mt of Olives, which is to the east of where the old Jerusalem was.
     
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    The physical plain of Megiddo is nowhere near Jerusalem (old), but rather far to the north, and it also could not sustain such an army. Besides, when Jesus returns in the second advent, He does not come down to touch the earth, but the saints go up to meet him in the air, to return unto the Father.

    What would be the point of gathering all the world's armies into a local spot on earth? The devil isn't stupid. Those armies of the various nations, and kings of the earth, will be used in their locations around the globe to try to attack God's faithful people who are still alive before Jesus returns the second time, to destroy them completely and wipe them off the face of the earth. They are not after the Head, they are after the body (Acts 9:4, 22:7, 26:14), who represents the Lamb on earth.

    Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
     
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    1 Corinthians 15:44-46.
     
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    Yes, Robycop3, those are the "natural". Revelation isn't about the "natural" and 'local', but draws upon those OT types to explain the greater spiritual warfare (which will become violence from thought to deed) on the global scale.
     
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    Yes, as 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 stated. It will indeed be a 'literal' fulfillment, not a 'natural' one.
     
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    The battle of Armageddon is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
    come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon(1), and out of the MOUTH of the Beast(2), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet(3).

    14 For they are the spirits of devils which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; ...


    1 - The MOUTH of the Dragon

    Revelation 13:v.11 - I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a Dragon. (v.12) And he exerciseth all the power of the FIRST BEAST before HIM, and - The MOUTH of the Dragon - causeth the EARTH and THEM which dwell therein to worship the FIRST BEAST ... (v.14) And - The MOUTH of the Dragon - deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the - FIRST - BEAST; saying - The MOUTH of the Dragon - to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the BEAST, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (v.18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the BEAST: for it is the NUMBER of a MAN; and his NUMBER - number of his name - is Six hundred threescore and six. 6 6 6

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    continuation of post above

    The battle of Armageddon is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
    come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon(1), and out of the MOUTH of the BEAST(2), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet(3).

    14 For they are the spirits of devils which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; ...


    2 - The MOUTH of the BEAST

    Revelation 13:v.1-4 - I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a BEAST rise up out of the sea, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his (10) horns 10 crowns, and upon his (7) heads the NAME OF BLASPHEMY ... and the DRAGON- the BEAST like a LAMB, a false LAMB, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTER - gave him(to the FIRST Beast) - his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority...and all the world wondered after the - FIRST - BEAST. And they worshipped the Dragon which gave power unto the - FIRST - BEAST: and they worshipped the BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the BEAST? who is able to make war with him? - YEAH, who is able to make war with him, with the BEAST? There will be many and many COWARDS.


    AGAIN -

    2 - The MOUTH of the BEAST



    5 And there was given unto him a MOUTH speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 1.260 DAYS

    6 And he opened his MOUTH in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    7 And it was given unto him to make
    WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb - THE TRUE LAMB - JESUS - slain from the foundation of the world.

    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
     
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    The beast represents the antichrist, the false prophet, & their kingdom.
     
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    Uh-oh the fonts are getting 'bigger', as if that somehow makes up for correct theology or true doctrine.
     
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    There are several beasts in Revelation, could you be more specific as to which "beast" you refer to?
     
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    3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

    4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

    5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth


    QUOTE="Oseas3, post: 2525673, member: 15046"]The battle of Armageddon is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
    come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon(1), and out of the MOUTH of the Beast(2), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet(3).

    14 For they are the spirits of devils which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the AIR; ...


    1 - The MOUTH of the Dragon

    Revelation 13:v.11 - I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a Dragon. (v.12) And he exerciseth all the power of the FIRST BEAST before HIM, and - The MOUTH of the Dragon - causeth the EARTH and THEM which dwell therein to worship the FIRST BEAST ... (v.14) And - The MOUTH of the Dragon - deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the - FIRST - BEAST; saying - The MOUTH of the Dragon - to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the BEAST, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (v.18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the BEAST: for it is the NUMBER of a MAN; and his NUMBER - number of his name - is Six hundred threescore and six. 6 6 6

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    What prevails is the WRITTEN Word of God. The Word is God, the Word is the Invisible God.

    The Apostle Paul through his epistle to Timothy, warned saying: 1Timothy 6:v.3-5

    3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ (as is written in the book of Revelation), and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

    4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

    5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth ...

    The Word is God
     
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    The 3 unclean spirits are the counterfeit messages to the 3 angels of Revelation 14:6-12. There is also the fourth angel (messenger) to both:

    The Three Angels Messages

    Rev. 14:6,7,8,9,10,11,12; see also Dan. 11:2

    “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,”, “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”, “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”, “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,”, “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”, “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”, “And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia ...”​

    The Three fallen Angels Messages

    Rev. 16:13,14; see also Dan. 11:3,4

    “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.”, “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”, “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”, “And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”​

    The Fourth Angels Message [Come out and receive not the Mark of the Beast, but the Seal of the Living God, and Live Forever, a Death decree from God, from the North and East; True King of the North]

    Rev. 18:1,2,3, 15:2; see also Dan. 11:2

    “And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.”, “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.”, “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”, “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.”, “... in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.”​

    The Fourth fallen Angels message [Come together in Babylon the Great and receive the Mark of the Beast or die, death decree from Satan, & the Beast, from the South and West; false King of the North]

    Rev. 13:15,16,17, 17:12,13,17; see also Dan. 11:3

    “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”, “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”, “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”, “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”, “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”, “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”, “And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.”, “And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”
    Again, "Armegddon", was already defined previously:

    Armageddon is two Hebrew words combined, [1] “Har” meaning hill or mountain and [2] “Meggido”, the name of the area in the OT where many battles for the LORD and against Him were fought, as in the day of Elijah, in the valley near or even upon the Mountain of Carmel.

    The whole world will be involved in this end-time conflict. The Battle of Armageddon has to do with the forces of evil combining as one and mobilizing against God’s people to completely destroy them. All who are alive at that time will be involved in the Battle of Armageddon, the battle over the mountain of the congregation, the battle for the will and worship of the heart, either for God or for the devil. It has nothing to do with the OT natural place in the middle east.

    In the last moment, when it looks as though God’s people will be annihilated on a global scale, Jesus the King of the East, returns with His immortal armies of angels from the heavens, and the wicked are caught unawares and destroyed as the artillery from heaven falls.​

    What happened after this was stated, you made up a personal, non-scriptural, definition of "Armageddon" which included the English (non-Hebrew) word "Air" which is what Peter called "Private Interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20).

    It was then further told to you:

    The text specifically says "in the Hebrew tongue (language)", not in English ("Air" (English) is not Hebrew):

    Rev_16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    It is a reference found only in the Hebrew scripture (aka, OT;TaNaKh) which was written in Hebrew.

    It specifcally says it is a "place", not a nation as "Magog" is a nation of peoples (Rev. 20:8), even again, found in the OT (Gen. 10:2; 1 Chr. 1:5; Ezekiel 38:2, 39:6).

    God uses the natural of the OT to explain the spiritual of the NT, as found in 1 Cor. 15:44-46 and every parable, and prophecy.​

    You then got upset and began posting erratically and didn't address those facts.
     
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    Your interpretation is inconsistent and does not match the truth of God's Word that I set out in my message.

    Remember: The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
     
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    1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    1Th_5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    I have tested your "Spirit" by the law and the testimony.
     
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    The battle of Armageddon is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    The War is of the Spirit of God, the Almighty X Devil's spirits


    Revelation 16:v.13-
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils (the earth is infested of these demons which also believe in God - which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the BATTLE - battle of Armageddon - of THIS Great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -
    15 - Behold, I come as a thief. - We which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL - MICHAEL - , and with the trump of God.
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    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying,

    It is done.

    and the great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

    This will fulfil LITERALLY henceforward.
     
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    The human antichrist. His sidekick, the false prophet, will be "the beast from the earth".
    "Beast" in Rev. 17 refers to both the man & his empire.
     
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    So, you see Rev. 13:1-2 beast as "antichrist" and the '2nd' beast, Rev. 13:11, as the "false prophet"?, is that a correct understanding of what you said? I ask, so that I may share my position on it in reply.
     
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    No answer yet?
     
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    Yes.
     
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