"In my view, Christians shouldn’t be satisfied with health-care policy that leaves anyone out, especially those who need care most but can afford it least. Christians should support a universal, single-payer system."
As a Christian, I defended Obamacare. But I really support single-payer. | Physicians for a National Health Program
As a Christian, I defended Obamacare. But I really support single-payer.
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Sep 18, 2017.
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Taxpayer money should not be used to fund abortions or gender mutilation surgery (also known as gender reassignment surgery). Both of these will be a part of a single-payer system, if not immediately, in time. Therefore, I reject single-payer.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
People want a king. They want someone to take care of them.
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James Flagg MemberSite Supporter
It would be a (relatively) simple matter to make the single-payer system treat only reproductive pathologies. Treatment for cancers, birth defects and injuries, but not for abortions, surgical sterilizations, s*x changes, or infertility treatments. If USA ever does get a single payer system, then this is the model I would expect. Aside from the moral question, those treatments are entirely elective and would just put additional burden on what would no doubt be an incomprehensibly expensive program. -
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
We have fire departments, ready to serve the rich woman's mansion or the poor man's shack. We have law enforcement to help preserve order, seek justice, and serve the public regardless of social status, religion, ethnicity or politics. We have public utilities to provide potable water for individuals and enterprises, and remove solid and liquid wastes to create a sanitary environment. We also understand that the elderly, the young, the physically and mentally disabled, and certain other individuals who are not capable of providing for themselves need our assistance. Almost everyone chips in for at least some of these services according to ability and according to usage.
Seriously considering whether or not to have a single-payer system and figuring out the best way to balance mercy and justice is not "wanting a king" nor - going with the biblical allusion - rejecting God. Far from it! -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Jesus is the Great Physician. He told of the Good Samaritan. Jesus owns the entire universe. Jesus is not a socialist. Uncle Sam is not a doctor and he is broke and deep in debt and cannot come up with 32 trillion dollars in the next ten years.
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This is exactly how the Progressives are going to hoodwink Christians to buy into single-payer. "Where is your compassion for your fellow man?" They will repeat it so much that Christians will be shamed by fellow Christians if they do not go along with the most important chink of Socialism's chain. What they do not tell you is the enormous cost that will balloon annually. What they do not tell you is that care will be rationed. It has to be rationed. The law of economics requires it. Most European nations do not have the massive defense appropriations that the United States has. Taxes will rise exponentially. Healthcare professionals will have caps placed on their earnings. The Progressives will control the largest segment of the economy, hence they will control the economy. It is just as bad as Esau bartering his birthright for a bowl of stew. People will trade their liberty for bondage.
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I wonder that quite often when I read posts from some of our brothers and sisters here.
The claim of "rationing" doesn't have much weight since it is already rationed.
However, those things have been changing and Europe is still providing reasonably good healthcare - with good outcomes - for their citizens. At the same time, the European model is not the only model. We could adopt a model that provides a single-payer safety net for persons who are critically ill/injured (for instance, for health expenses more than $100,000 for a person per incident) while retaining private insurance for all expenses below $100,000. That will allow a certain level of freedom to choose the level of care you need for normal issues and average surgeries and incidents under a reasonable private insurance payment without bankrupting everyone and their children in the event of a major health crisis. The risk of private insurers would go down tremendously, and so would the cost of the policies under a free market system.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I've seen 24 trillion over 10 years.
I've seen 25 trillion over 10 years.
I've seen 28 trillion over 10 years.
Bernie Sander's plan is like a Cadillac Medicare plan, basically everything covered, nothing out of pocket, no deductibles. It might be possible to get up to $32 trillion over 10 years but I have to believe any single payer plan put forth would not cover as many things as Sanders' plan does, so it wouldn't cost $32 trillion. -
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