Featured Baptism in the Spirit

If any man be ignorant LET HIM BE ignorant! I have thoroughly proven that Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Rahab, the Ninevites WERE NOT THE NATION OF ISRAEL and yet they were THE PEOPLE OF GOD and you just keep repeating your absolute false nonsense.

 

Here is the problem! There is no "big" church in the New Testament. You are confusing the Kingdom of God with the church of God.

Spiritual union with Christ is the relationship that Abraham had with Christ as much as you do:

Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Abraham was chosen "IN" Christ before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4) unto "salvation THROUGH santification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thes. 2:13) and all the elect know their election when the gospel comes in power and IN THE HOLY SPIRIT (1 Thes. 1:4-5). There are no third class of human beings between those who are "in the flesh" and those who are "in the Spirit" (Rom. 8:8-9) or between those born of the flesh and those born of the Spirit (Jn. 3:3-6).

There is no such thing as salvation for anyone at anytime anywhere on planet earth outside of SPIRITUAL UNION with Christ as all who are not in spiritual union with Christ are SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

 

No, you show yourself to be completely untruthful. You write back claiming you are simply wanting to understand my position and give me objections. I respond and show that your objections are not only baseless but irrational.

How many times have you limited the "people of God" to merely the nation of Israel before Pentecost! That is so silly and unbiblical it hardly requires rebuttal. However, I have patently over and over again cited several instances from the Old Testament of God's people who were NOT OF ISRAEL and no more related to Israel than YOU are by virtue of being a son of Adam.

However, you just keep coming back with the same absurd disproven statements.

AGAIN, Abel, Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, the Ninevites were all God's peopl as any cursory reading of the Old Testament scriptues show and Hebrews 11 spell out in no uncertain terms and yet you deny it.

Furthermore, you cannot be one of God's people (EXCEPT BY PROFESSION) without the new birth as Jesus plainly tells A JEW who you would claim to be of "the people of God" and yet he was not SPIRITUALLY of "the people of God" only ETHNICALLY and by PROFESSION! What is hard to get about this????? I will tell you. You are embracing false doctrine and so you can't see the barn when it is standing on your nose!

 

It sure is and you need to stop embracing it.

No, I said Peter said that in Acts 10:43:

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

No, I said Paul said that in Romans 3:25:

Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

You are lying! Quote where I ever said such a thing! Quote me or admit you are lying! Indeed, this lie by you contradicts your very next conclusion of what you claim I believe. I can say and I believe they looked ahead to something because that something had to happen. You are so irrational that your own objections are absurd and silly.

Ha! If I believe that (and I do) then how can you accuse of saying I don't believe Jesus had to come and die????? What do you suppose they are looking ahead to????????? They are looking ahead to Christ coming and dying and the gospel was preached to them and BY FAITH they looked forward to the cross and God imputed righteousness to them based upon that faith!

He is not talking about SALVATION through faith in the gospel as he already told you they believed in the same gospel (Heb. 4:2 - read it)!

"For unto us the gospel was preached AS WELL AS UNTO THEM...."


He is not talking about salvation, remission of sins but of the promise that Abraham was looking for - a city whose builder was God AND glorification of the body - that is the promise they looked for. REad what he says:


39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

He defines "the promise" they did not recieve and that is to be "MADE PERFECT." That is precisely what they will received yet future "WITH US."

Faith obtained salvation for them as Peter says (Acts 10:43) and Paul says (Acts 26:22-23; Heb. 4:2; Gal. 3:6-8; Romans 4) but they did not receive the promise of the New Jerusalem and glorification of their bodies by resurrection "WITHOUT US."

We have something BETTER in that we do not look forward to the coming of Christ to die but look back to the FINISHED work of Christ and forward to the New City and glorification. You simply do not understand what you are reading.

He is talking about something that they could not have WITHOUT US sharing it - the glorification of the body.

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He that is ignorant let him be ignorant!

 

I have demonstrated my position thoroughly. Thus far, there has not been any serious objections to the position I have taken. The only objections that have been made were irrational of which I have easily proven to be unbiblical.

The bottom line is there is no such thing as THREE different classes of humanity described in the Scriptures. Either you are "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit" or born "of the flesh" or "born of the Spirit" both before and after Pentecost.

There is no such thing as TRUE SPIRITUAL people of God who are not in SPIRITUAL UNION with God as the only other alternative is SPIRITUAL SEPARATION and thus SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

The baptism of the Spirit cannot possibly pertain to SPIRITUAL UNION or to indivdiual salvation of anyone at anytime in Scriptures. It is the ONE TIME accreditation of the public house of God both in the Old and New Testaments.

 

You are an irrational person. You accuse me of claiming that Christ did not have to come and die while at the same time accusing me that I believe Old Testament saints looked forward to the coming of Christ and received remission of sins by faith.

Your accusation that I denied Christ would have to come is a lie and you cannot possibly quote me ever saying such nonsense and yet you will not admit that you have lied about my position. You are irrational and there can be reasonable discussion with an irrational person.

 

If you are going to represent what I believe do it right! Don't distort it. I DO NOT believe that Gentiles as NATIONS were the people of God in the Old Testament but there were many Gentile INDIVIDUALS which I have named over and over again. The ONLY people of God as a NATION is Israel in the Old Testament. However, Deuteronomy 9:5-7 clearly explains this does not mean that Israel as a NATION was the SPIRITUAL people of God but only the ETHNIC chosen people of God by profession.

However, it does not matter how many times I explain it to you, you will pervert it because it is in your best interest to pervert my position.

The NEW TESTAMENT says this - Acts 10:43; Romans 3:25; Romans 4:6-8; etc. Your problem is with these scriptures not me!

You sir were caught in a bold face lie and when I pointed out that lie you did not deny it but simply ignored it. YOU LIED when you represented me as believing that Jesus did not need to come and die on the cross. It was such a bold face lie because in that very lie you admitted I did believe the Old Testament saints expressed faith in the future cross.

You perverted those scriptures to deny that scores of INDIVIDUAL Gentiles living previous to the cross could not be saved or have their sins remitted, meaning they could not be justified by faith in the gospel as justification includes remission of sins (Rom. 4:4-8).

 

Another bald face lie! Find any statement by me that I have EVER said gentiles were saved as NATIONS before the cross!

You are adding to you list of lies. First you lied by falsely accusing me that I did not believe Jesus had to come and die, and you made this false charge because of all things, I said they were saved by faith looking to the cross. Now you lie again!

Now quote where I said that gentiles were saved as NATIONS before the cross or repent of your false accusation!

Hebrews 4:2 says they were saved by the same gospel we are. READ IT!

Acts 10:43 says they had their sins remitted by faith just as we do. READ IT!

God does not have TWO Saviors, TWO gospels' TWO ways of salvation nor is there TWO different kinds of human beings. Go figure!

Either you cannot read or you cannot understand what you read! Tell me does Acts 10:43 says "SOME" prophets or "ALL" prophets? Does Acts 10:43 say that all the prophets gave witness to Christ??? Read it! Does Acts 10:43 say that what they ALL GAVE WITNESS TO was that "whosever believeth in his name shall receive remission of sins"???

Go back to sunday school and learn how to read the Bible.

Tell me, does Hebrews 4:2 says "unto us" and "as well as unto them" that "THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED"?????? Or does it say one kind of gospel was preached to them and another kind of gospel to us???

Go back to sunday school and learn how to read the Bible.

It is your mind that is twisted by false doctrine that you cannot even read English right in front of your nose. It is not a matter of interpetation but explicit clear unambigous statements that Acts 10:43 and Hebrews 4:2 make. Your mind is so irrational you cannot even read and makes sense of the words you read.

Go back to Sunday school and learn how to read the Bible.

Do you know what a "PROMISE" is? Apparently not! The coming Messiah Savior was PROMISED them in the gospel preached to them.

You wouldn't even believe Jesus if he told you that would you??? Read his lips because Jesus is calling you by name in these verses:

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?...........44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:


What you need is for Christ to apply verse 45 to you!


No more discussion will be had with the likes of you! If you wish to remain ignorant then so be it.

 

Reader, Moriah is claiming that Jesus Christ needed to be saved!!!! He is using the circumcision of Jesus Christ and blood sacrifices to prove Old Testament saints were saved by blood sacrifices when Hebrews 10:4 denies that such sacrifices EVER took away sins but they were only TYPES and FIGURES and NEVER remitted sins. However, that does not matter to Moriah. No, he will make it fit his false gospel and false doctrines.

It does not make any difference to Moriah that Paul repeatedly states that the jews were NEVER justified by keeping the law (Rom. 3:19-20) and that the Law was NEVER given as a way to obtain eternal life (Gal. 3:21). No, Moriah will make it fit his false gospel and false doctrine.


It does not matter to Moriah that Christ claimed there was only "ONE" way before Pentecost to be saved (Mt. 7:13-14) and that "NO MAN" could come to the Father BEFORE Pentecost except by faith in him (Jn. 14:6; Jn. 3:16) as well as after Pentecost (Acts 4:12).