I do not understand the question
Baptism +
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Salty, Mar 6, 2010.
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Infant Baptism can hardly be considered believer's baptism.
But I don't think you should re-baptize someone who was baptized using the trinary formula as a believer.
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
There is no 'saved' who had to be baptised to be saved; All 'saved' are saved without having been baptised, and before having been baptised OR NOT.
The 'great commission' was not yours or mine or anyone else's but the Apostles'! Water-baptism was given and commanded the Apostles as was the 'great commission'. The prerogative of baptism with the Baptism of Christ, Jesus reserved for Himself ONLY!
CORRECTION!!! Water-baptism was NEVER given OR commanded the Apostles. They were commanded to baptise "in the NAME" --- NOT 'in water', nowhere, nohow! -
Why wouldn't a Baptist require one, baptized under authority of a cult, to be Scripturally baptized? Their cultuic baptism is not identifying said person with the true Christ, nor with the true Gospel.
I've had persons join my church, who were baptized by coC, who made request to be baptized in our church, denying and recanting their affiliation with a works based Gospel. These same are the most fruitful people I have ever met in church.
Some Baptists will receive no other Baptisms administered by any other denomination, even though said candidate for membership has a great and solid understading as to why they were baptized. -
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. -
Yes, why not?
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
Nor does one's salvation affect baptism --- water-baptism. -
Peter, James, John, and those others had been "water baptized" before Pentecost. Afterwards the men of Israel not before baptized, or believed, asked what they should do. They wanted the power of the HOLY GHOST. And if they did what Peter tells them in Acts 2:38, and that is to "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins", then would acquire the Spirit.These people, in that time period did not receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as we today. -
preacher4truth said: ↑Why wouldn't a Baptist require one, baptized under authority of a cult, to be Scripturally baptized? Their cultuic baptism is not identifying said person with the true Christ, nor with the true Gospel.
I've had persons join my church, who were baptized by coC, who made request to be baptized in our church, denying and recanting their affiliation with a works based Gospel. These same are the most fruitful people I have ever met in church.
Some Baptists will receive no other Baptisms administered by any other denomination, even though said candidate for membership has a great and solid understading as to why they were baptized.Click to expand... -
Jerome said: ↑Romans 6:3-4
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.Click to expand... -
Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite SupporterJerome said: ↑Romans 6:3-4
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.Click to expand...
This 'baptism' can only be an act in faith by faith of faith. There is NO WAY this 'baptism' can be done by a human being, physically or 'literally'; There consequently is NO WAY this 'baptism' can be undergone by a human being physically of literally IN OR WITH OR BY OR THROUGH _WATER_!
And after all, this 'baptism' Paul refers to here, IS CHRIST'S BAPTISM HE only underwent and which he bestows on others than himself through the operation and power of the Holy Spirit by FAITH ONLY . It is spiritual or it 'is', not at all in believers, as in Christ Jesus ONLY it was BOTH spiritual and physical.
One Word stands fast, all the controversy about baptism despite: "ONE Lord, ONE baptism— the baptism whereby "there is: ONE Faith". The baptism that PRECEDES Faith. There's no such thing in Christian Faith as a 'baptism' that 'has got nothing to do with salvation'. There's no such thing in Christian Faith as a 'baptism' that FOLLOWS faith except the baptism through suffering with in the suffering of Christ. The Christian Baptism is the ONE ALL believers shares “IN CHRIST”, “TOGETHER WITH HIM”. -
Jerome said: ↑Romans 6:3-4
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.Click to expand...
10. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11. In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12. Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." -
DHK said: ↑Yes, why not?Click to expand...Baptism does not affect one's salvation.Click to expand...Again, what does baptism have to do with salvation? I don't understand your question here. There are Christians I won't fellowship with because they live in a state of disobedience. But that is another matter. That has nothing to do with baptism, per se.Click to expand...Neither do I, so where does all this come from.Click to expand...
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporterituttut said: ↑................ baptism should not be a factor if one in Christ Jesus wants to join a church, and the church refuses unless they are re-baptized.Click to expand...
GE:
NOT also to the first time one (wants to) join a church however!
This is an enigma for me, that DHK argues water-baptism is necessary and commanded even, but denies the Spiritual Body of Christ's Own that is that 'Universal Church' of all times and nations and lands confessed in the oldest of Christian Confessions. -
Gerhard Ebersoehn said: ↑GE:
NOT also to the first time one (wants to) join a church however!Click to expand...This is an enigma for me, that DHK argues water-baptism is necessary and commanded even, but denies the Spiritual Body of Christ's Own that is that 'Universal Church' of all times and nations and lands confessed in the oldest of Christian Confessions.Click to expand...
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