Beginning: Attacks on Crisis Pregnancy Centers?

[Amy.G]

Pure evil..........

Evil TROLL!!!!!

 

[FR7 Baptist]

A half a dozen undifferentiated cells is not a child.

Not good. I've never understood the pro-choice position. Once conception occurs, a genetically unique being is created. If life doesn't begin at conception, then when does it? If not at conception, when do you draw the line?

 

[SolaSaint]

>So you think these counseling centers are a bad idea?

I don't have any data on their results. It would be interesting to know the economic and educational status of the women these centers counseled five and ten years ago. Are they living independent lives and paying their bills or are they on welfare?

Is it not true that most (a majority of, more than 51% of) single mothers are on welfare? Are many not second or third generation welfare families? Is there any logical or moral way to separate the moral and economic consequences? Pragmatically, does the program not breed a serf class . . . American Dalits?

I have the same problem with the "sent money to a child in a foreign country" charities which have been around for 50 years. If the program was a success one would think that it should be self-perpetuating by now.

bill,

My wife volunteers for a pregnancy crisis center, it is actually called a "pregnancy resource center". They are Christian based and share the gospel with all the women who come to them. They provide bible studies, physical resources to help them financially and even counseling for them and their husbands or boyfriends. They have seen many unborn babies saved in birth and many souls saved as well. This is one of the best ministries I've ever witnessed.

It's true many of the women who call or come in are looking for abortions. The workers at the center are required to be upfront about not providing abortions and birth control. There is even reports of pro-choicers coming to centers and video taping to try and catch them doing something illegal like we've seen in the recent ACORN videos. They must be very careful at what they say for evil intentions by the pro-choicers could ruin a very good ministry.

 

[rbell]

A half a dozen undifferentiated cells is not a child.

If a lecture about keeping her pants on will convince a teen aged girl then one sermon about staying under the speed limit should convince a Baptist?

The Lord rebuke you for your horrible, unbiblical, evil thinking.

Why do you even bother with posting on a Christian board?

What a disgusting post.

 

[billwald]

You don't think there should be sermons that reference biblical statements about civil leaders and civil ordinances being to us by God for our good? Doesn't this include the speed limit laws?

Yes, even a single cell is (can be) human but a single cell is not a child. We slough off thousands of human cells every day. They are not children.

Say a finger is amputated in an accident. The detached finger is "alive" because it can be grafted back and live. If it was dead it could not be grafted and live. Do we give funerals and burials to amputated parts that are not grafted back on to the body?

 

[abcgrad94]

You don't think there should be sermons that reference biblical statements about civil leaders and civil ordinances being to us by God for our good? Doesn't this include the speed limit laws?

Yes, even a single cell is (can be) human but a single cell is not a child. We slough off thousands of human cells every day. They are not children.

Say a finger is amputated in an accident. The detached finger is "alive" because it can be grafted back and live. If it was dead it could not be grafted and live. Do we give funerals and burials to amputated parts that are not grafted back on to the body?

Dead skin cells and an amputated finger do not have souls. A human embryo or fetus is a LIVING SOUL, and that is the difference!

 

[Marcia]

I am against abortion but some of these pregnancy centers were telling women that abortions increase the chances of breast cancer. This has not been proven and is not true based on any supported studies. So they should not be saying that.

However, I do not think that pregnancy centers should have to tell women they have the option of an abortion. Like, duh, she wouldn't know that already?

 

[rbell]

You don't think there should be sermons that reference biblical statements about civil leaders and civil ordinances being to us by God for our good? Doesn't this include the speed limit laws?

Yes, even a single cell is (can be) human but a single cell is not a child. We slough off thousands of human cells every day. They are not children.

Say a finger is amputated in an accident. The detached finger is "alive" because it can be grafted back and live. If it was dead it could not be grafted and live. Do we give funerals and burials to amputated parts that are not grafted back on to the body?

Your view is so unBiblical as to be disgusting.

Obviously, you choose to not believe the Bible.

And stop it with the speed limit laws, already. You want that discussion? Start another thread. Sheesh.

Read Psalm 139 and get back to us.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am against abortion but some of these pregnancy centers were telling women that abortions increase the chances of breast cancer. This has not been proven and is not true based on any supported studies. So they should not be saying that.

However, I do not think that pregnancy centers should have to tell women they have the option of an abortion. Like, duh, she wouldn't know that already?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james3.htm

http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/abc.html

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_23.asp

 

[tinytim]

You don't think there should be sermons that reference biblical statements about civil leaders and civil ordinances being to us by God for our good? Doesn't this include the speed limit laws?

Yes, even a single cell is (can be) human but a single cell is not a child. We slough off thousands of human cells every day. They are not children.

Say a finger is amputated in an accident. The detached finger is "alive" because it can be grafted back and live. If it was dead it could not be grafted and live. Do we give funerals and burials to amputated parts that are not grafted back on to the body?

That post is just IGNORANT!

You sir, disgust me!

Of course this is Just my humble opinion!

 

[Johnv]

I am against abortion but some of these pregnancy centers were telling women that abortions increase the chances of breast cancer. This has not been proven and is not true based on any supported studies. So they should not be saying that.

You're absolutely correct. It's not necessary to be disingenuous to be anti-abortion.

However, I do not think that pregnancy centers should have to tell women they have the option of an abortion. Like, duh, she wouldn't know that already?

The problem in the OP is that there were enough instances of such centers being disingenuous about that, which prompted the legislation. If the resource centers in question were honest and upfront, there would have been no need for the legislation.

 

[windcatcher]

You're absolutely correct.

Actually she may not be right and this would mean the same for you. For one thing... Planned Parenthood is not interested in funding research which, if done honestly, might present findings critical to its purposes and profits....lots of profits. Planned Parenthood has denied request that it does post abortion follow-up and it refuses. Planned Parenthood stabilizes and discharges, so it doesn't collect data on botched or complications following abortions which does happen.

OTOH, Pregnancy Crisis Resource Centers are non profit, and already operating on a marginal budget and staffed by unpaid volunteers. The value of services considering it offers counseling to pregnant women in crisis, parenting classes, instruction in abstinence issues which may include esteem and assertiveness development, baby supplies and preparations, and referral to a cadre of professionals who volunteer their time, and technology and supplies to assist the mother to be fully informed, and offer post abortion counseling to those who seek it..... means they don't have the budget to legatimize research data collected through their professional and semi-professionals which would be acceptable to Planned Parenthood... who has the lobby and monies and media to denounce data summaries or conclusions. So your opinion doesn't impress me and I respectfully disagree with Marcia's in this instance.

it It's not necessary to be disingenuous to be anti-abortion.

The problem in the OP is that there were enough instances of such centers being disingenuous about that, which prompted the legislation. If the resource centers in question were honest and upfront, there would have been no need for the legislation.

FYI, city councils don't legislate.

 

[billwald]

Don't most of the customers come because they want some sort of financial help?

 

[rbell]

Don't most of the customers come because they want some sort of financial help?

Well, being you think their unborn child is nothing short of a tumor or appendage, it would stand to reason that you would also demean their motives.

Do the unborn a favor, and stay far away from these places. Satan does enough damage without your being an accomplice.

 

[Johnv]

FYI, city councils don't legislate.

They don't? What do you call a city ordinance? A suggestion?

 

[windcatcher]

They don't? What do you call a city ordinance? A suggestion?

Can''t change stupid.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Violatiom of the Addendum to Posting Rule 2

Bill Wald has ben found to have violated the addendum to Posting Rule 2

The official position of The Baptist Board is that life begins at conception. Statements of fact that would contradict the board’s position on this issue will be edited or deleted entirely.

And has been censured accordingly.