Wow. You're pretty upset. I'm just saying how I see things and I think my previous post clearly indicates why I think Annsi's argument does not follow. Now If I'm mistaken so be it. But thats pretty clear how I see things. You state here :I gave no accusation save I didn't think the argument followed. You also saidMy only reply is where do I give myself this apperance? How is it any more moral to say I don't think your argument follows? You sayWhen in reality I'm making an argument and defending them. You also sayWhen its actually defined as limiting God in some respect. Though I've nevery claimed God could not make the world in 6 days I just don't think he did. You also saidwith the supposition that he agrees with you on how to take that verse or verses. You also saidand my reply is what for? Making an argument and defending it? You also make this accusationWhich I defined smut asI have done niether. In fact I challenge you to look through all the posts that I have ever made and find one item that would fall under either catagory. If you disagree with me, I'm ok with it. Just say so argue if you will and at the end of the day we'll end up agreeing to disagree. However, you have unjustly accused me of pilfering smut which I've defined above. Maybe you should apologize. You don't have to be impressed to do such a thing. I'm not even asking you to be impressed with me. Just fair. Are we not allowed to disagree with each other?
Belief in Evolutionism debunked by former evolutionist
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Jul 20, 2009.
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ashat: simple
emez: allegory
rash: seeking
sod: mystical
Looking at the Essene communities writings at Qumran they indicate these levels of understanding as well. It would seem that Jesus would have been familiar with these views of scripture in his day and his apostles. -
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How do you take the crucifixion narrative literal and not Genesis 1&2? -
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And the Bible says that where? I asked a question to show the absurdity of your question. -
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Jesus tells his disciples to eat his flesh. The majority take off. Jesus is saying it. It was an eye witnessed event. This is however taken as allegorical. Rather than what Jesus was saying. The Genesis account was not eyewitnessed by anyone who wrote the Torah. God wrote the 10 commandments. Moses and scribes wrote the rest. -
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Some one get me some duct tape for my head which is about to explode. The logic you use here is the broadest of mental gymnastics. Having eyewitnesses to the allegory that Jesus uses has nothing to do with proving the nature of Genesis. How you managed to pull that line of thought out is really quite amazing. -
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Consider this many christian theologians do not believe Jesus was being allegorical. Many be it was I've heard good areguments for John 6 on both sides. JOhn 6 statement of Jesus being allegorical or not is a matter for debate yet we do know it was a witnessed event. Genesis creation account is not. In fact when considering other liturature of that same time period in that cultural setting all creation accounts were allegorical. Its not that much of a leap. -
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It is a leap.Other literature does not even come close to the nature of scripture for it is the Word of God. Not just another book. And anyone who thinks Jesus was not being allegorical needs their head examined. -
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All literary types in the bible are modeled after existing literary types. The bible is a library of books of differing literary types. The bible is singular in that Christians have selected those specific books as being the inspired word of God. It doesn't mean Those literary types were not used but that is how God chose to communicate to man. The fulness of communication found in the incarnation. The bible incorporates each literary type as a vehicle of that communication. God did not hand write the bible and give it to some guy a long time ago like Joseph Smith claims about the gold tablets. No! God uses man and his ability to write under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Men wrote in the literary style they knew. If God inspired you to write you may choose different formats. Some Autobiographical others not. I'm sure if you spoke with Frank Perretti he would tell you God inspired him to write and his comfortable medium was fiction. Now its not the Inspired word of God but men wrote with what they were familiar with. -
I want to thank those who stepped in for me while I was out at VBS. It's been crazy but blessed days this week!
The issue that I have is to say that it is placing God in a box when we take Him at His word. He has told us how the world began - yet it's "limiting" God when we say that is how He did it. It's like saying that I'm limiting McDonald's when I say that I read that the Big Mac is made with two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun and so that's how they make it. How can it be limiting when the One who tells us how it was done already limited the way it was done? God could have made silly putty and made the earth that way - He absolutely could have created the world through evolution. But He told us He created it differently - in the way that the creation account is given in Genesis.
The issues that I see with believing in God - and not believing the Genesis account are as follows:
1) Death had to enter the world in a different way than God tells us. We're told that death is a result of sin - but if evolution is true, sin didn't enter the world until later - so where did death come from?
2) Where did sin come from? If "Adam" represents early mankind, and "Eve" represents early womankind, where did sin come from? God tells us in the Bible - but now we can't trust that? How do we know that there even IS sin?
3) It places doubts on God's Word and what He tells us. We begin to doubt the creation account. Then we doubt the flood. Then we doubt the story of Moses and the Israelites. How do we then separate out the story of Jesus in the Bible and say that is true? How do we pick and choose?? -
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