HP: I will take your advice on this thread and move on. Hopefully we can get to the crux of the Nazarite matter on another thread. I will leave you with a couple of questions on this thread, now that you have raised the issue. Can one honestly attempt something that one sees as a natural impossibility? Just what is it about the holiness God requires out of man that God Himself is unable to see to completion in this present world? What sin doth so beset us that God is unable to supply the strength to overcome it? Does the following verse in all actuality and honesty represent an impossibility for the believer? Tit 2:12 “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
That sure sounds like attainable practical holiness to me. :thumbs:
Believing a Lie
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Sgt. Fury, Dec 28, 2007.
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"God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are,... unjust,...I fast twice in the week, I give ti... !"
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Are you suggesting that God sends delusions to people with the specific intent of causing them to be eternally lost? Or where the sending of the delusion in any way pushes them further down a path toward condemnation that they were not otherwise already on.
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Originally Posted by Joe
"Bizarre that God himself cannot lie, yet he can throw powerful delusions at some to help aide them in believing in a lie thus assisting in their willful destruction"
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Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
You said you are an Anglican; As the leopard can't change its spots; the Anglican can't become a Nazarite. Nazarites are Jews.
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If you are going to invent history, then you will be engaging in fantasy. Today there are thousands of Nazarite communities all over the world, and even on the Internet.
http://www.nazarite.com/
http://www.sabbatarian.com/Content/Nazarite.html
http://directory.ic.org/records/?action=view&record_id=20543
http://technorati.com/tag/Nazarite
http://osdir.com/ml/culture.templar.rosemont/2002-09/msg00007.html
http://www.experiencefestival.com/nazarite
http://www.nazarite.net/
http://razorskiss.net/wp/index.php?p=13
http://nazarite.stumbleupon.com/
http://www.biblecentre.org/topics/chm_nazarite.htm
http://www.rastafari-nazarite-library.com/index.html
http://rinahshal.tripod.com/id165.html
http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/nazarite-childrens-missions.html
http://www.puritanboard.com/f40/samson-exception-standard-nazarite-rules-21023/
http://home.earthlink.net/~mpeever/cac/Established/node7.html
This is just a quick sample of literally hundreds of thousands of active links, communities and articles on MODERN DAY Nazarites.[/quote]
You have proved to me that you know how to do a search without knowing what the search actually produces. Did you even look up what your own links contain, or just assume that I wouldn't?
The first link is just an allegorization of Numbers ch.6. So what? Allegorizing Scripture doesn't make one a Nazarite. I have a tape by a local preacher who preaches on "Leviathan" from Job. He states that Leviathan is "pride." He is allegorizing. Just because he says it is pride doesn't make it so. The same is true in your link. It is only an allegorization of Scripture. Through that method you can make the Scripture say anything you want. And the prayer that they lead you to make at the end is the typical easy-believism prayer of Romans Road. What has that got to do with being a Nazarite? Nothing!
In your second link, I find a cult. The author's beliefs about God are strange.
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Nazaroo said:You can lead a horse to water, even living water, but you can't make it drink.
"For I say to you,If you can't see that the very serious vow that Jesus took at the Last Supper was not only in essence a Nazarite Vow, but was the most extreme Nazarite Vow ever expressed by any man in the Old or New Testaments, indeed, the quinessential Nazarite Vow of All Time, I have no power to open your eyes.
I will not drink of the Fruit of the Vine
until the Kingdom of God comes!" (Luke 22:18)
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2. The verse you quoted is a statement. It is not a vow, not even a promise, but only a statement. Jesus said: "He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until the Kingdom comes. It is a statement of fact. It is not a promise or a vow. It has nothing to do with a Nazarite vow, and the context does not give any indication that it does. Where is the vow. Where is the indication that it is a vow? The onus of proof is on you.
If this was NOT a very serious and profound Vow by the King of Kings, then whatever do you think Jesus was really doing here?Click to expand..."Hey guys: quit chatting. Listen up...Click to expand...Um, I think I am not going to drink anymore wine tonight.Yeah...at least until dawn...oh nevermind...it wasn't that important." (Luke 22:18, StandingFirmInChrist Translation)Click to expand...
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Nazaroo said:No Jew has ever kept the Torah perfectly, and as far as I know no Jew has ever claimed to.Click to expand...
Mark 10:19-20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
--The rich young ruler claimed to keep the law from his youth upward. He lied. He didn't. In the next few verses Jesus demonstrates that he didn't. He demonstrates his sin of covetoutsness--how he coveted his riches more than he desired Christ and the forgiveness of sins that he offered. He went awway sorrowful because he had many riches.
--The law condemned. It could not be kept. Its purpose was to lead us to Christ for it showed us our sinfulness.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
--The law could not justify. We are justified by faith in Christ.
For you to argue that there is no such thing as a Nazarite because they don't meet your perfect standard is {like} [offensive language removed] saying there are no such thing as Jews, or no such thing as Christians.Click to expand...
Get real. Present a reasonable argument instead of just attacking people's religious beliefs and practices because they differ from yours. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.Click to expand... -
Nazaroo said:You and your mockery, as a rich American, and living about as far away from the ideals and practices of early Christians as it is possible to achieve on planet Earth, do not surprise me.
Your unbelief or (fake) incredulity at my poverty is as hollow as it is callous and hateful.Click to expand...
Good luck on explaining to Jesus on Judgement Day what you were doing today.Click to expand...
I'll try to minimise your cruelty and I promise you I myself forgive you.Click to expand...
The husbands of Lot's daughters were also habitual mockers.Click to expand...
And when it came time to take a message seriously, they were unable to do so.
When Lot came to warn them of the coming destruction, they rolled back into bed,
because they thought he was joking.
"HE SEEMED AS ONE THAT JOKED UNTO HIS SONS IN LAW." (Genesis 19:14)
You are unable to hear me. I hope the Lord unplugs your ears.
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Sgt. Fury said:A recent thread asked if one could tell if they were mistaken in their beliefs. I thought it might be good to discuss the dangers, if any, in believing a lie. I believe that many have believed lies concerning spiritual things, and that it will result in their eternal condemnation, for only one's knowledge of the truth can make one free (John 8:32).Click to expand...
That means that by definition -- error is a lie that someone believes and was told by someone else (in most cases - though some few here seem to make up their own).
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Andre said:Greetings:
Are you suggesting that God sends delusions to people with the specific intent of causing them to be eternally lost? Or where the sending of the delusion in any way pushes them further down a path toward condemnation that they were not otherwise already on.
If so, can you provide scriptural examples?Click to expand...
It says "God turns them over" the wicked list turned over to "strong delusions" BECAUSE they did not "choose" to have a "love of the truth".
As we learned in Matt 16 with Peter saying to Christ "may it never be Lord" as Christ declared His mission to die for the sins of the world --- "Love of truth" means accepting something that does not fit the bias of man-made-traditions EVEN in case where they "sound good" AND are "popular".
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BobRyan said:2 Thess 2 it says that the devil will come along in the last days working signs and wonders with maximum power to deceive.
It says "God turns them over" the wicked list turned over to "strong delusions" BECAUSE they did not "choose" to have a "love of the truth".
As we learned in Matt 16 with Peter saying to Christ "may it never be Lord" as Christ declared His mission to die for the sins of the world --- "Love of truth" means accepting something that does not fit the bias of man-made-traditions EVEN in case where they "sound good" AND are "popular".
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite SupporterDHK said:I firmly believe that in most cases, that when a person is willing to study the Bible objectively, and not let his pre-conceived ideas get the best of him, that sola scriptura will lead him to the truth. It can do no other but end up in that conclusion. This is why the RCC so hates that doctrine. Sola Scriputa does not end up in the RCC doctrine but in Biblical truth.Click to expand...
I am grateful to you, DHK! Amen!
Just thought 'Standingfirminchrist' is a nice pseudonym ... so 'standing firm ON Christ' would be a very nice slogan for one's doctrinal prologoma!
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