Nice to have you on board again Dragoon, I've been thinking about you lately and have wondered if you would be involving yourself in the dialogue about the war in Iraq.
There have been camparisons of Iraq to Viet Nam and many believe that we left Viet Nam before the job was done yet Viet Nam does not make itself a threat to the U.S.
I believe that everything that can be done in Iraq has been done and America has achieved a victory in lots of ways in that country
I do believe that if America wanted to unleash all it's might it could decimate Iraq but that would require destroying many of Iraq"s natural resources that we value. It would also cause disrupting the delicate balance of peaceful relations we have with other countries (Russia and China to name a few).
I believe also that if America was to leave Iraq that you would be seeing countries in the Mideast beating their chest claiming a victory while fearing the might of America. I believe that our country has demonstrated that we can and will fight the just war but it is up to the people of Iraq to fight for their country , we cannot continually veiw these people as being helpless without us being there to train them.
We will always have the threat of terroisim no matter what even if we were to totally destroy Iraq but if we were to leave and if many can say that Iraq compares to Viet Nam then how can one say that they will be a viable threat even though Viet Nam has not been a threat since we left .
Sincerely Dragoon it is good to see you back maybe we will kick up a little dust on this issue but in the end I will always value your opinions and you as a brother in Christ.
Boxer to Rice - beyond the pale....for mean
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by LadyEagle, Jan 12, 2007.
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Thanks Rocko9 for the kind words!
North Viet Nam was not a specific threat to America but Communism around the world certainly was and viewed very seriously in that era. By taking a stand in Viet Nam we helped curb its growth in Southeast Asia. In that respect we won something. In the beginning we boldly took on the fight claiming "we'd bear any burden and pay any price" but when it became unbearable at home and things didn't go as smoothly as we'd hoped we were very pleased to leave it behind by signing a "peace" treaty forced upon our friends. In the end South Viet Nam lost that war because their enemy was stronger especially with the continued support of its allies under cover of the treaty. We did nothing when the terms of that treaty were blatantly disrespected by those enemies even though we'd promised that we would. We just wanted to forget it all and we're content to write it off as a Vietnamese problem. We sure didn't keep our word and many people suffered greatly because of it. By this action we lost a lot of respect around the world and the result went down in history as our loss. All our individual and corporate failures took center stage in the world wide press. Our enemies took historical note that America seemed not to have the will to continue a prolonged fight nor hold together amidst self criticism of its own fallibilities.
Afghanistan and Iraq were not specific threats in the sense of armed nations posed to strike America's heartland but terrorism with its radical Islamic backing breeding in the area was and is an active threat to America that had struck deeply into our homeland as well as abroad in recent times. By taking a stand there we put the world on notice that we would do so and they'd we take the fight to them whever they were. Once again we told the world we'd do whatever it took for as long as it took. Iraq, with it's tyrant at the helm, was a prime source of support for terrorism and, as proved by previous actions, a serious threat to the region. We also believed, even if by flawed evidence, that this unpredictable dictator had the impending means to launch biological warfare upon us. We solved that problem even though we've beat ourselves silly over it. Iraq certainly needs to be responsible for their own nation and they have been taking a more active role as every day passes. I don't think the positive results get nearly enough press. The troops kept telling us that but we won't listen to them because we enjoy the negative news report far more. Iraq certainly does have problems and reforming the nation is not an easy for them. A complete and lasting peace is still elusive with serious discord amongst their own factions. There have been disappointments. There have been individual and corporate failures and, once again, our own press has eagerly spread the word. Our enemies exceedingly appreciate this news knowing well that America can be its own worst enemy turning its freedoms into a weapon of self destruction! Even with terrorism defeated the roots of it in radical Islam beliefs are likely to be difficult to destroy as evidenced by others in that fight longer than us. So all that just makes the fight that much more challenging but no less avoidable.
We have established a foothold in the region and we've made it known to the world that we will act even when many other nations won't and don't want us to. We should maximize it! We've drawn the terrorists of the region into the fight and we've killed many times more of them they have of us. We've forced several nations to play their hands. We've rid Iraq of Saddam's regime and given the people of Iraq a chance to do something positive with their government in hopes it will be a long term improvement. Some of them have embraced this opportunity thrilled at the chance of representative government. Others have capitalized on the chaos of war to cause more trouble. It's not over yet and it's going to be a long hard fight. We'd better have the will to continue it even for generations beyond our own. We'd better not be spoiled by our world of instant success and gratification. Our enemies sure aren't. -
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The big picture and the long view.
Anathema to politicos scrambling for power for today.
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The Taliban and al Qaeda were specific threats. They were in Afghanistan, but not Iraq. Now, since the invasion, al Qaeda has a heavy presence in Iraq and the Taliban is making a comback in Afghanistan.
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If it's the "lie" that Boxer made another personal attack, it's no lie.
Aren't we all?
Okay, then Barbara Boxer lied when she said:
This was the post?
The keep up the good work. I'm afraid there's more to come, this is Barbara Boxer, after all.
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Of course not. Being a liberal, she probably didn't even realize that anyone would take a reference to childlessness as an insult.
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There ya go. Somebody needs to tell him there's no draft, how could Bush send them to war if he wanted to? This is just old.
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Originally Posted by The Galatian
Of course not. Being a liberal, she probably didn't even realize that anyone would take a reference to childlessness as an insult.
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Secondly, she didn't make a reference to childlessness - the reference included any immediate relative - parent, sibling or child - or significant other.
Thirdly, Boxer put Rice in the same category as she put herself. Do you think she was insulting herself?
ETA: posted before your post above.....um, never mind. -
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I'm not going to nitpick this anymore, you think her remarks were acceptable and understandable, I don't. Impasse reached. -
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Vicious little flying pattern ya got there, Boxer and Press aren't alone.
The original:
My original quote:
you think her remarks were acceptable and understandable,
which was then broken up as:
you think her remarks were acceptable and understandable,
And the non-answer:
I don't.
If I was an admin, I'd ban you on the spot for this:
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Of course you don't.
And the non-answer:
Part 2:
His "reply":
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you think her remarks were acceptable and understandable, I don't.
We all got that. I pointed out that her remarks are acceptable and understandable to me, because I'm a parent, and I love my kids. You knew this. Everyone else did, too. So why play it differently?
I guess there must be a reason for that.
My suggestion that there's a reason you don't think it's acceptable is perfectly within the board rules. I could have been a lot more blunt than I was. Do yourself a favor; if you don't like Irish tag, don't play the game. -
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