You are the only one on the board that refers to a "parenthesis" church.
I believe the Rev referred to you (somewhat in jest) to believing in it, since you are the only one that posts about. But that went right over your head because of your hatred of it.
It doesn't matter who you quote. We have our own beliefs. If you don't debate us then it is no use debating. Just quit.
If you debate using others' authorities instead of our own beliefs, then should we debate you, using Augustine for an authority for your beliefs?
That is the level of debate that you are bringing to this board.
Breaking news actually old news "Early church Fathers Taught the Pre-Trib" view
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by revmwc, May 6, 2015.
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When we constantly say we don't believe it and you keep refering to it what are we to believe? -
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Never mind here is the meaning, not meant to be taken seriously or literally: amusing; humorous lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous:
So people can say something and it isn't a lie when it is used in a facetious manner. I am sure you do that all the time. -
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jk stands for just kidding.
Those are pretty standard tools show that you are trying to be funny. -
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OldRegular said: ↑I am not a student of Augustine or Calvin but I doubt anything the believed approaches the blasphemy of the "parenthesis" Church of pre-trib-dispensationalism!Click to expand...
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blessedwife318 said: ↑There was no indication in your original post that you were being facetious. Humor is hard to portray in these forums so that is where emoticons or even just a jk comes in. Its really hard to say after the fact and it be believable.Click to expand...
On the Other Denominations" Forum I said some pretty harsh things about Roman Catholicism. I must say they responded with more grace than I showed and far more grace than any pre-trib-dispensationalist ever shows, except those in transition! -
revmwc said: ↑No it is there you missed it.Click to expand...
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Parenthesis Church?
OldRegular said: ↑... I doubt anything the believed approaches the blasphemy of the "parenthesis" Church of pre-trib-dispensationalism!Click to expand... -
blessedwife318 said: ↑Emoticons = :) ;) etc
jk stands for just kidding.
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OldRegular said: ↑He wasn't kidding Dear Lady, the dispensationalists on this BB rarely kid with anyone who questions their doctrine!
On the Other Denominations" Forum I said some pretty harsh things about Roman Catholicism. I must say they responded with more grace than I showed and far more grace than any pre-trib-dispensationalist ever shows, except those in transition!Click to expand... -
Br. Dan said: ↑Sorry, I'm new around here and have never heard of this so-called "parenthesis church" doctrine. I don't mean to derail this conversation, so can someone point me to a thread where the details of this are discussed, so that I may follow this most uncharitable thread with a little more understanding.Click to expand...
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Would anyone care to address the OP
Here it is from Approximately 150 A.D. to 350 A.D. the Pre-Trib Rapture was taught it is not as OR and others claim started by Darby. And they did not believe as OR does in a parenthesis church.
"Irenaeus (130 A.D. – 202 AD) "was a bishop of the church in Lyons, France. He was a disciple of Polycarp, the first of the Apostle John’s disciples. Irenaeus is most-known for his five-volume treatise, Against Heresies in which he exposed the false religions and cults of his day along with advice for how to share the Gospel with those were a part of them.
In his writings on Bible prophecy, he acknowledged the phrase “a time, times and dividing of times” in Daniel 7 to signify the 3 ½ year reign of the Antichrist as ruler of the world before the Second Coming of Christ. He also believed in a literal Millennial reign of Christ on earth following the Second Coming and the resurrection of the just."
let's check another:
"Cyprian (200 AD – 258 AD) – Cyprian was Bishop of the church in Carthage. During his short stint as leader of the church, he guided the flock through intense persecution at the hands of the Roman Empire. In 258 AD after spending seven months of confinement to his home by order of Roman authorities, he was beheaded for his faith. Several of his works still exist today.
In Treatises of Cyprian he wrote in describing the end times Great Tribulation:
“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”
And another:
"Ephraim (306 AD – 373 AD) was made a deacon in the church in Syria in 338 and later became the bishop of Nisibis. Although he was made a “saint” in the Roman Catholic Church, he was not involved in Catholicism and did not even live in the Roman Empire until the final years of his life. The book Pseudo Ephraim was one of his still existing works. It was called “Pseudo” because of later dispute over authorship. However the book’s one reference to the rapture is very compelling:
In his work, On The Last Times 2, he wrote:
“We ought to understand thoroughly therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. Already there have been hunger and plagues, violent movements of nations and signs, which have been predicted by the Lord, they have already been fulfilled (consummated), and there is not other which remains, except the advent of the wicked one in the completion of the Roman kingdom. Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? Believe you me, dearest brother, because the coming (advent) of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time.
Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins. And so, brothers most dear to me, it is the eleventh hour, and the end of the world comes to the harvest, and angels, armed and prepared, hold sickles in their hands, awaiting the empire of the Lord. And we think that the earth exists with blind infidelity, arriving at its downfall early. Commotions are brought forth, wars of diverse peoples and battles and incursions of the barbarians threaten, and our regions shall be desolated, and we neither become very much afraid of the report nor of the appearance, in order that we may at least do penance; because they hurl fear at us, and we do not wish to be changed, although we at least stand in need of penance for our actions!”Click to expand... -
blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite Supporterrevmwc said: ↑Okay but how do you emoicons?Click to expand...
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blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite SupporterDHK said: ↑Would anyone care to address the OPClick to expand...
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blessedwife318 Well-Known MemberSite SupporterBr. Dan said: ↑Sorry, I'm new around here and have never heard of this so-called "parenthesis church" doctrine. I don't mean to derail this conversation, so can someone point me to a thread where the details of this are discussed, so that I may follow this most uncharitable thread with a little more understanding.Click to expand...
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