"[T]his is one of the huge problems with the traditional understanding of hell, because if the Cross is in line with Jesus' teaching, then I won't say the only and I certainly won't say ... or even the primary or a primary meaning of the Cross ... is that the Kingdom of God doesn't come like the kingdoms of this world by inflicting violence and coercing people. But that the kingdom of God comes thru suffering and willing voluntary sacrifice right? But in an ironic way the doctrine of hell basically says no, that's not really true. At the end God get's his way thru coercion and violence and intimidation and uh domination just like every other kingdom does. The Cross isn't the center then, the Cross is almost a distraction and false advertising for God."
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/brianmclaren.htm
http://www.understandthetimes.org/mclarentrans.shtml
This is the transcript of the interview Brian McClaren had with Leif Hansen.
Since when is the Cross "false advertising" for God---and where in Scriptures does it say we are to "advertise" for God? I thought we are to be "witnesses" and preach the Gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15).
Brian McLaren Calls Hell and the Cross "False Advertising for God"
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Linda64, Mar 22, 2008.
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Who is Brian McClaren?
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He is the chief proponent of the "emerging church" heresy.
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Oh, enough said. The Emerging Church has swung way too far out into the left field.
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Brian McLaren is what NOT to do as one tries to do church in a postmodern culture.
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Why do you make that claim?
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McLaren is on record as saying that he isn't too sure that homosexuality is a sin (because of the rules of BB, please, let us not debate the sin of homosexuality here).
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You brought it up. Why do you feel the need to insinuate that I would argue that it was not a sin? I suppose that if I had said that on this board that would be a reasonable point. Show me where I've ever said anything to that effect. -
Mr. McLaren is on record on the issue as wavering not you. -
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For the Christian, of course, hell isn't a motivation, for he or she is not headed there. -
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But hell avoidance has traditionally been preached as the motivation for faith in Christ and that is what I agree with McLaren is incorrect about the traditional doctrine of hell because that view is never mentioned in the NT. -
To listen to the interview of Brian McClaren about his view of hell and the cross:
http://www.enteuxis.org/leifh/bleedingpurple21b.mp3
I listened to this and Brian McClaren teaches and preaches "another Jesus" and "another gospel"...definitely NOT the Jesus of the Scriptures.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You cannot avoid the issue of hell without distorting the gospel. Hell is the censequence of sin. Hell as taught in scripture gives us a picture of the depravity of man or our sinnful state, and the reason Christ went to the cross. And you cannot get to salvation without looking to the cross which represents our sin, hell, our current state, and grace. Grace has no real value without hell. -
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Folks here are reading this quote and incorrectly jumping to the conclusion that McLaren doens't believe in hell. I think there is many valid criticisms one can make of Brian McLaren's beliefs but that isn't one of them and it is not demonstrated by the quote in the OP which I think many Christians agree with if they took the time to actually think about what he is trying to say instead of simply reacting.
A more valid criticism of McLaren regarding hell is that he has questioned the literalness of hell as a place. He does not come out and say that hell is a figurative place but claims uncertainty and openness to that possibility.
While I believe that hell is a literal physical place, I am also willing to consider biblical arguments that it is not. I have yet to see good ones. -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
That is not what McLaren holds to. He in fact denies a hell where people suffer. He in fact denies the "traditional" hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOUfsX2fbk
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